Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conjugation of auxiliary Catalan verbs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. JIP | Talk 11:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conjugation of auxiliary Catalan verbs

Non-encyclopedic. Gflores^Talk 03:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. This is Wikipedia, not Languagepedia. Royboycrashfan 03:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a bilingual dictionary. Merge with Catalan grammar now that the template is cleaned up. T K E 04:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki? Wikibooks? Just an idea. -- stillnotelf is invisible 06:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 07:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per TKE --Icarus 08:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep (hopefully cleanup) or possibly merge compacted version of it into main Catalan grammar article. Many grammar articles have sections with detailed morphology tables, often including individual irregular items (see Russian, Italian, Greek and many others), and in several parallel cases these have been factored out into extra articles too (see French verb conjugation, German verbs). Spanish even has all the hierarchy down from Spanish language to Spanish grammar to Spanish verbs to Spanish conjugation to Spanish irregular verbs. BTW, anybody who wants to cleanup this should also deal with Combination of weak pronouns in Catalan and Conjugation of regular Catalan verbs. --Lukas ^(T.|@) 08:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I've now tidied it up into a single table, to make it easier for merging if that should be the outcome. Lukas ^(T.|@) 09:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Catalan grammar, trimmed. JIP | Talk 08:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - we have French verb conjugation. I also think that it would be a good idea to merge this article with Conjugation of regular Catalan verbs under the title Catalan verb conjugation. Edwy ^(talk) 11:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Lukas & Edwy. James Kendall [talk] 15:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. FWIW, I think this article exists as a separate article mostly to keep the tables from cluttering up the chief article on Catalan grammar. Smerdis of Tlön 15:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Valid topic. Stringops 17:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Someone may want to merge this, but it looks like a nice little chart. I guess I think Catalan is an important enough language for this chart to exist. At least its not some crufty conlang like Klingon. Brian G. Crawford 22:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. True, it's not fancruft. I would like to see them all in one article because they are all related. This deals with my previous delete vote, that we're not a bilingual dictionary. A merge is fine with me, but I find separate articles unnecessary. If you're learning a languague, an encyclopedia is not the way to go. This is my first time dealing with such an article, so it's a learning experience for me. T K E 06:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Valuable language info, and well linked to other Catalan language articles. Agree with Smerdis of Tlön and Brian G. Crawford. -- P199 22:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge, don't delete. Lambiam^Talk 04:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge with the other Catalan conjugation articles. --moof 04:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge - while I would like delete, there is apparently precedent. Wickethewok 06:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Maybe we could take this as an opportunity for us grammar-interested editors to get together somewhere else and discuss what constitutes "morphology cruft" in grammar articles and how to avoid it. I do agree that bare listings of morphological paradigms are not optimal for a grammar article, but it's often done. Ideally, the function of such tables should always be subordinate to prose descriptions of what is characteristic or special about a grammatical system. Lukas ^(T.|@) 06:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge. As the grammar articles get larger, there will be natural breakouts such as grammar of Catalan verbs, and what-not. It is not cruft it is useful, encyclopedic, and judgmentally added. Carlossuarez46 20:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.