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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splashtalk 21:54, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanse Fold and Manipulate
Nothing of signficance is even claimed in this article about an album by Skinny Puppy. The band's article indicates they generally got little radio and video play in general. Wikipedia is not an albumn catalogue. rob 08:26, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Real album by notable band. android79 11:04, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Reply: I'm open to being proven wrong. I would suggest on expanding why they are notable, perhaps at the top of the band's article. There is a *vast* amount about the band in the band's article and *many* other articles, all dedicated to the same people. 95% of it fan-devotion. Now, perhaps buried in it, is an explanation of why they are notable, and what success they've acheived. I tried my best to read through this monument by fans, but only picked up that they had little play on the radio and video on tv. Also, I ask why is it necessary to list all the songs for each album both here, and on the band's article? --rob 11:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- The band easily meets WP:MUSIC. Every other problem you state with the article(s) can be solved by editing, not deletion. android79 12:49, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Reply: Well, I don't subscribe to the idea, that once the band's article gets in, every other related article get's in. Some bands are so famous and influential, that individual notable songs qualify, but we don't give every song for every "articled" band an article itself. Nor does every album deserve an article. In some cases, only the band itself deserves an article. Merely being "real" is not sufficient basis for an article. I actually would be fine if wikipedia did start cataloging all published musical albums, even obscure ones. But, that should become a formal policy, applied to all, not just some. --rob 12:59, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Err, there is an entire Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums devoted to doing just that. I think that's as close to a "formal policy" as you're likely to get. android79 13:05, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
- There was also a "schools project" as well. Did that mean automatic inclusion of every school? Of course, schools don't have devoted fans, that think every microscopic detail is notable. --rob 13:15, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- I just checked again, and found no explicit policy on inclusion of *every* album. If there is an implied policy, than that should be made explicit at WP:MUSIC. If it had been explicit, I wouldn't have made the nom, nor waste our time. --rob 13:32, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- WP:MUSIC is a guideline, not a policy. There are very few inclusion/exclusion criteria that are actual policy. Feel free to clarify with the WP:ALBUM folks what would constitute inclusion criteria for albums, but I'm guessing they'll tell you what I've been saying here: notable band that meets WP:MUSIC = notable album. That's also the general trend on AfD with albums. android79 13:42, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Err, there is an entire Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums devoted to doing just that. I think that's as close to a "formal policy" as you're likely to get. android79 13:05, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Reply: Well, I don't subscribe to the idea, that once the band's article gets in, every other related article get's in. Some bands are so famous and influential, that individual notable songs qualify, but we don't give every song for every "articled" band an article itself. Nor does every album deserve an article. In some cases, only the band itself deserves an article. Merely being "real" is not sufficient basis for an article. I actually would be fine if wikipedia did start cataloging all published musical albums, even obscure ones. But, that should become a formal policy, applied to all, not just some. --rob 12:59, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- The band easily meets WP:MUSIC. Every other problem you state with the article(s) can be solved by editing, not deletion. android79 12:49, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Reply: I'm open to being proven wrong. I would suggest on expanding why they are notable, perhaps at the top of the band's article. There is a *vast* amount about the band in the band's article and *many* other articles, all dedicated to the same people. 95% of it fan-devotion. Now, perhaps buried in it, is an explanation of why they are notable, and what success they've acheived. I tried my best to read through this monument by fans, but only picked up that they had little play on the radio and video on tv. Also, I ask why is it necessary to list all the songs for each album both here, and on the band's article? --rob 11:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, real album. If the band is non-notable, bring them to Afd. Kappa 11:50, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. They're notable, Kappa, they're notable. Grutness...wha? 13:03, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Merge to Skinny Puppy. Notable band, essentially non-notable album. Barno 15:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Keep nn band? I've heard of them - I'm a rock dino'! Album - nn or otherwise - keep. Alf melmac 21:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Notable album by notable band. Capitalistroadster 00:30, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Notable band, and there is plenty of precedent for album articles, even non-notable ones. If this was some obscure greatest hits collection or a bootleg then, maybe, but this was a major release. If it flopped, that actually adds a bit of additional notability because Skinny Puppy is a very popular group within its genre. 23skidoo 02:56, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.
