Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clan Ruthven

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 02:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clan Ruthven

Clan Ruthven (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

The article does not contain verifiable information. Rather, it is constituted of fictional (hoax) content, of note, the reference to a "Sweedish [sic] Viking" founder, the presumable intent of which is to further some interest or goal of its only editor who has added substantive content. Correspondingly, all other editors have only made minor edits to grammar, punctuation, etc. The link to source material is associated with the personal homepage of a Virginia, USA academic who states on that page that the family by the name Ruthven was not and is not a clan. There is a historic Ruthven family in Scotland, as there is in Cornwall, however, the origins and history attributed to them on this page are false. The authentic Scottish Ruthven family is described on the article for the Ruthven (family). Also, the articles referring to various titles and peerages in Scotland relate to this latter family. There are several other sites on the web that refer to the Clan Ruthven history invented in this article, however, they are also sites with registered member or user-editor created content (e.g., www.scotclans.com, which is mainly an online store for novelty heritage goods). No such clan exists in noteworthy literary sources nor websites of more scholarly content. DvonD 11:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unless verified. Just H 11:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, unless sources are cited, and must be independent ones. Terence Ong 16:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The history of the author, Mjgm84 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) doesn't appear to be that of a vandal, although (s)he has been blocked for image copyright problems. Presumably this was created with good intent but from bad sources. Bear in mind I don't know diddley about Scottish clan history. Tubezone 18:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, unless good, independent and verifiable sources are forthcoming.--Anthony.bradbury 00:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete the Ruthven family who were Earls of Gowrie are named after Ruthven, near Perth, Scotland. This, like the other places of that name, is probably (says William J. Watson) named for a red stone/rock in the locality. No Swedish pirates here. The Earls of Gowrie are covered in Earl of Gowrie and Ruthven (family), the conspiracy in Raid of Ruthven. I don't think there's anything verifiable in this article which isn't covered somewhere else, and anything that isn't covered elsewhere is probably not verifiable. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Clan Ruthven is a Scottish Clan with a chief (Alexander Patrick Greysteil Hore-Ruthven THE 2ND EARL OF GOWRIE, Viscount Ruthven of Canberra, of Dirleton, E Lothian, Baron Ruthven of Gowrie, Perth, Baron Gowrie of Canberra, Commonwealth of Australia and of Dirleton, E Lothian and Chief of the Name and Arms of Ruthven) who is a member of the Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs. Official history is here ... www.myclan.com/clans/Ruthven_121/default.php
• Delete per above. NeoJustin 23:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete anything worthwhile is covered elsewhere.--Sandy Scott 12:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.