Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christine Caine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 22:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Note: This article is currently undergoing examination for copyright violations and may be deleted on those grounds. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 22:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christine Caine

Non-notable minister. Google returns inconclusive results, mostly a jeweler with the same name. She also seems to be connected to the Christian30 hoax astroturfing campaign. Danny Lilithborne 13:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per WP:BIO. Not-notable. I'm not sure I detect a hoax here, but if so then strong delete. Get rid of for not-notable at least. Scorpiondollprincess 14:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:Bio, and non-notable. Jefffire 14:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. First ten of 10200 google results all seem appropos, google news also serves a relevant result: coordinator for 40000 Hillsong volunteers at July conference in Sydney. Fulfills WP:BIO afaict. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 14:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep I'm not very familiar with the field of Christian music. However, the problem with the Christian30 Covergirls doesn't seem to be with the subjects, but with Christian30. Since we don't have categories like Entertainment Weekly Covergirls or People Mag Covergirls, we obviously shouldn't have a category for an obscure site. But the girls themselves seem to be legitimate, and there doesn't seem to be a general movement to delete their articles. What C30 seems to be doing is like this: I start a site called "Celeb30," then go on Wikipedia and put celebs like Keira Kneightley into my "Celeb30 Covergirls" category. That just means that my category should be deleted, not that the Keira entry should be deleted as NN. In this regard, the very fact that Christian 30 is trying to "claim" her is actually an endorsement of her notability. I also note that in the Google search posted earlier is a 700 Club guest bio[1] result. I don't see how Christian30 could fake that! The fact that the 700 Club would have her on as a guest argues for some level of notability. --Groggy Dice 17:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. GRBerry 03:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep Her bio gives the title of three books by her and publisher of one. I'm not sure she meets the author test or the music test, but when you start piling up a weak notability in field X, a weak in Y, etc... you get a weak result that is stronger than any individual field's results. Amazon shows one book about rank 200K, one about 400K, and a couple out of print in the 1.2 Mil and 2 Mil zones. Searching her name also brings up some CDs and some works by other authors. Looks notable for field, probably more so in Australia than the states. GRBerry 03:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. A search for "Christine Caine" comes up with one hit in an Australia New Zealand media database in relation to Hillsong. She is mentioned in an article in the Sydney Daily Telegraph. A search of verifiable sources through databases available through the ACT public library system came up with no references to her. She doesn't meet our guidelines for biography. Capitalistroadster 09:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Running similar search terms on Google gets 672 hits.[2] Your results appear damning, but there are possible arguments that the database may not be telling the whole story. After all, it didn't turn up the Adelaide Advertiser result that Google News did. For instance, is this an up-to-the-minute database, and how far back does it go? If it was not instantly updated, it might not catch people whose notoriety was recent (though that doesn't seem to be the case here). Also, how broad is the selection of publications, particularly of Christian/evangelical ones? It is possible for someone to have notability in a subculture, but to be "flying under the radar" of mainstream outlets. I noted in my own remark that one thing that swayed me was information about being a guest on the 700 Club. However, her prominence even in evangelical circles appears modest. And it looks like the article will be deleted for copyvio anyway, unless somebody knows enough about her to rewrite it in a way that doesn't copyvio. --Groggy Dice 21:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I have removed the trivia section. The item about her childhood cannot be verified but would not be trivial if it could be. The other item about what she calls her husband is unverifiable and trivial. Capitalistroadster 09:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: most of the text and the image in the article appears to be copied from [3]. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 10:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
• keep please she is notable but remove copyvio Yuckfoo 20:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Capitalistroadster. Ifnord 00:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Capitalistroadster Cheesehead 1980 13:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  Indef blocked sock, see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Spotteddogsdotorg. -Splash - tk 22:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.