Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cherub (Buffyverse)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Proto::► 10:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cherub (Buffyverse)

non notable television show. fancruft.--Ixoal 14:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete (or at the very least redirect Buffyverse (Fan made productions)). Appears to have had almost no external coverage apart from [1] and a passing mention in [2] — not worthy of its own article. Demiurge 15:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete fanfilm, the end. Danny Lilithborne 21:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete fanfiction is typically unnotable, unless it has considerable independent coverage, which this does not.-- danntm ^T _C 23:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete local fanfic/cruft. SkierRMH,07:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
• KeepInternet tv appears to be a new entertainment medium lacking a guideline (Lonelygirl15 inspired an episode of Law and Order and a cover story in Wired), so if someone knowledgable about it would set up such a guideline project, it would save endless discussion in AfD for each instance. Here, it presents the two independent coverages listed above, which are more than a passing reference, and claims more than 100,000 downloads. Does that meet the guideline? THERE ISN'T A GUIDELINE! But it sounds like a fair number. Edison 19:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Not verifiable, no cited reliable sources. Further, I agree with the aforementioned remarks about the notability. In 10 years I don't think anyone will be asking where Cherub went. Alan.ca 06:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge - I'd say it is just about enough notable (it had more than a passing mention from Wired, I just added this text to the article:

Wired said that "it's easy to believe that one day soon, the format [Cherub's] cast and crew are pioneering will challenge network TV the way blogs have challenged publishing.". (Newitz, Annalee, "Fan Films Reclaim the Whedonverse", Wired.com (June 8, 2006), page 2)

Also page 1 of that article gives a substantial amount of information about Cherub: [http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71084-0.html?tw=wn_story_page_prev2 Wired article about Cherub, page 1}

According to official policy (Wikipedia:Deletion policy) I thought articles were only supposed to be deleted if they were unverifiable, if they contained original research, or if they were point of view? My understanding is that Wikipedia:Notability is only a guideline, and a disputed one at that (as I write this that article has a tag pointing out some people disagree it even deserves 'guideline' status). Non-notable articles often get deleted because they often break one or more of these three important things, but Cherub is verifiable (see the official site, Stranger set report, and Wired article), the article is non-POV, and does not contain original research. Therefore I see no justification for deletion. A lot of work went into the creation of this article, I think it deserves to be fairly judged by official Wikipedia policy.

I suggest keeping it, or merging it with content at Buffyverse (Fan made productions) (though that article has also been put on AfD, i propose it could be saved and include content from the indivdual fan films that have have verifiable sources), I could tidy that article to make it more respectable (including all purging all the info on fanfic apart from the more notable fan films). In 10 years, close to thousands of people including me will remember Cherub as one of the first online series. People are right that it is not that notable but it is slightly notable :) -- Paxomen 10:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. In general I don't consider fan fiction to be notable, but this series has run for two "seasons", generally well-received by fans, and is available on physical DVD. I'd estimate that we'd keep an article on a webcomic of such qualifications, so likewise should we keep this. (Radiant) 16:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge (with Buffyverse (Fan made productions)) ~ Verifiable (Wired, official site, Stranger set report). As Radiant points out, this series is not just an amateur short-film, it had 25 well received episodes across 2 seasons, and Cherub is now even available as a Double-disc DVD Set - Buffyverse 11:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Fancruft. WMMartin 17:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.