Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Wayne Gillies

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE. Herostratus 04:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruce Wayne Gillies

Non-notable, possible vanity article. Wikipedia is not the IMDb namespace, nor is inclusion there indicative of right for inclusion here. (I'd be listed on Wikipedia too were that the case...) Girolamo Savonarola 20:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. --RMHED 20:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Not sure if it's vanity, but he's non-notable nonetheless. He has done 19 movies, but his role has been mostly as assistant director. --Nishkid64 20:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Nishkid. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 21:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable independent filmmaker of over thirty verifiable Hollywood feature films as executive producer and/or producer and/or line producer and/or unit production manager and/or assistant director. Provides credible source and contact of indie feature filmmaking. Listed on three non- vanity Wikipedia sites, Baadasssss!, Love Object and Devil’s Pond as producer. In comparison to other filmmakers listed on Wikipedia site equal average to above average. Information provided by Nishkid64 incorrect and biased. No listing of non-notable Girolamo Savonarola on IMDb website, information stated by Girolamo Savonarola is biased and nonsensical --Buzzxsassy 22:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all, the pages for the films you listed have an infobox with a producer entry. That entry is for the producers, not the line producers or associate producers or co-producers. Secondly, the quantity of your work is irrelevant on its own merits, no matter how many films you've worked on. Finally, if you think that I actually am called Girolamo Savonarola in real life, why don't you Google me? Furthermore, my creation of the AfD is an implicit delete vote, as is considered standard. Please do not attempt to modify my vote by writing "no vote listed" in front of the nomination.

Notability has nothing to do with the number of films you've worked on or how big they are - otherwise anyone with any decent experience in the film industry in any capacity would automatically qualify. Line producers, as I understand it, usually are in charge of the financial aspects of a film, while UPMs and AD's handle logistics and organization. These aren't generally considered creative capacities, and thus someone's work in these roles generally is not acceptable for notability standards barring the most exceptional of circumstances. But if you'd rather attack me instead, by all means exhaust your energies here instead of on the article. Girolamo Savonarola 23:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Malicious removal of producer credit on pages listed by Bruce Wayne Gillies by Girolamo Savonarola which direclty points to venomous bias and personal attack. Line Producer is considered a producer and is part of the creative process. Non-notable non-pro's as I understand it are of no authority whatsoever, none. Obvious hopeful attention seeker as evident with troubled phrasing like I'd be listed on Wikipedia too and why don't you Google me and rather attack me instead. Never made any attack only made truthful and verifiable statements. You can Google me and I show up on several notable websites. I apologize for putting "no vote listed" but I was making clarification and no harm intended - there was "no vote listed". In comparison to other filmmakers listed on Wikipedia site credit are equal average to above average. The Bruce Wayne Gillies article was harmlessly added from finding earned credit listed on Baadasssss! without proper link throughs. No big deal. Not aware of secret approval process Girolamo Savonarolahas self implemented. Buzzxsassy 01:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You're taking this personally. It's not. But I'd recommend perusing the guide to deletion and notability pages first. Once again, I'd like to remind you that further comments should be made at the bottom of the page, not the top line.

Also, even The Producers Guild seems to disagree with you: A Line Producer performs the Producer functions involved in supervising the physical aspects of the making of a motion picture or television production where the creative decision-making process is reserved to others, except to such extent as the Line Producer is permitted to participate. Unit Production Managers, who perform no more than the customary services of a Unit Production Manager should be credited only as such. Girolamo Savonarola 19:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep We have actors who have been in like 2 movies, this man has participated in over 7. Can we get a better picture however that actually shows the subject. The current picture looks like a publicity image. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 19:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

The number of films is irrelevant - it's the type of work which is the point of contention. Girolamo Savonarola 21:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film and TV-related deletions. -- The JPS^{talk to me} 18:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The tone of the article says it all. It's mainly about his background, rather than what he's acheived. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable, fails WP:BIO criteria (has not been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person). --Dhartung | Talk 20:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.