Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Eyed Kids

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete. Angr/talk 12:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Eyed Kids

With a low Google yield for "black eyed kids", this appears very strongly to be a neologism. Is it in some use? Yes. However, the term is not widespread by any means. Are there notable cultural uses of kids with blackened eyes (i.e., the eye itself is all black)? Sure, there are plenty of scary movies that might use that effect, but they're not referred to collectively as such in any of those films, and cataloguing them and trying to make blanket statements about them is rather original-researchy, IMHO. Delete. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JDoorjam (talk • contribs).

• Delete as unencyclopedic. Royboycrashfan 04:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unencyclopaedic. --Terence Ong 04:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unsourced (I'm talking about real sources here, folks) original research non-notable neologism. With annoyance. Makemi 05:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this is nonsense, as it claims this is a real, rather than fictional, phenomenon. --djrobgordon 05:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep it's unverifiable unverified and/or original research ... but weak keep anyway. Could be improved. — Adrian Lamo ·· 05:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Adrian. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep interesting piece of folklore, and fairly notable as folklore goes, but could do with a cleanup and de-POVing. -- Vary | Talk 17:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment added an 'unverified' tag for the time being. -- Vary | Talk 17:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Unencyclopedic with only ghost stories as references. Green Giant 00:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep I've heard about this alot, and folklore or not, it deserves an entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KnowitallWiki (talk • contribs) 2006-03-05 18:02:07.
• Delete, as not sufficiently encyclopedic. According to a page on about.com, this is a reference to one of Art Bell's stories of the paranormal. It seems to involve the evil eye, vampire mythology, and a harbinger of death with a new twist, a fear of children. If it could be expanded and improved to something like Men in Black, it may be worth keeping, but since it hasn't been improved much beyond the version of June 15 of last year, I have no reason to expect that it will get any better. Brian G. Crawford 03:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Makemi. I really doubt this could be improved. Melchoir 04:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom -- Alpha269 16:25, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Interesting. Not everything on Wikipedia has to be highbrow. I looked this subject up on Wikipedia precisely because I couldn't find anything elsewhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Infinity8 (talk • contribs) .
  • Comment One of the biggest problems I have with this article is that it is not written as being about a piece of longstanding folklore (which is not clear that it is), but as undeniable fact. This is perhaps worse than writing about other fictions as fact, since the reader cannot easily understand it as being about a tv show or a book. It's in entirely the wrong tone for an encyclopedia article, and I don't believe with this particular article that can be easily fixed, from where it is now. Makemi 16:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Just finished a quick-and-dirty rewrite to make it clear this is an urban legend. -- Vary | Talk 03:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --OneEuropeanHeart 04:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. This article is referenced on http://www.abovetopsecret.com, a high-trafficking conspiracy news forum. --User:Carie 16:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[
• STRONG Keep, this is a notable phenomena that was reported on the reputable About.com paranormal directory. There may not be many sightings but it is nonetheless relevant and has been in the public eye, including reported in the media - seeing as this phenomena was experienced by a Texan journalist. It has also been reported in Above Top Secret and Snopes - to delete this would be wrong and silly. Piecraft 03:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment I noticed many people speculating that this is indeed not fact but folklore - however from the various different sources and experiences it is as "factual" as any other paranormal phenomenon i.e. Chupacabras and Ghosts. Therefore it is not only part of folklore and legend but a rather recent form of paranormal phenomena which should be taken into account. Regardless whether you believe in it or not that is not what is up for debate. It is definitely verifiable as someone earlier stated Art Bell and the other sites mentioned. Piecraft 03:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.