Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betty Suarez

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Betty Suarez, Merge the rest to Ugly Betty. No prejudice against un-merging these if Ugly Betty increases in notability and the content on these characters starts to crowd the Ugly Betty article. Deathphoenix ʕ 04:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Betty Suarez

Character(s) from a upcoming TV show on ABC called Ugly Betty, which has not premiered yet. WP is not a crystal ball, and I don't think it is necessary or notable to have every character from this show, which has yet to be determined to be popular or notable in the long run since it has not premiered, to have their own article. What if the ratings tumble and it gets cancelled in 5 weeks? It's not out of the question. This could also be considered fancruft and original research, and it may have been lifted from promo materials. Giant onehead 03:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are unnotable characters from said show:

• Ignacio Suarez
• Hilda Suarez
• Justin Suarez
• Daniel Meade
• Bradford Meade
• Wilhelmina Slater
• Christina (Ugly Betty character)
• Amanda (Ugly Betty character)
• Marc (Ugly Betty character)

• Pare down and Merge All to main article. If the show lasts until, say, a third season (or is a major hit), then consider breaking them out into their own articles. - Richfife 04:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't pare down. Merge or keep On the grounds that the show has emerged as a breakout hit (and the fact that it's actually pretty damn good), I'm changing my vote. - Richfife 00:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into Ugly Betty per Richfife. The show hasn't even premiered yet. TJ Spyke 04:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Ugly Betty or Delete. Wikipedia's not a crystal ball. What if it gets cancelled after 1 episodes, let alone 3 weeks? We don't know, and that's the good of not including certain things predicted to warrent articles. The very spirit of the crystal ball arguement for deletion. Kevin_b_er 04:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per everyone. Danny Lilithborne 05:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and delete all per above editors. --Aaron 05:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all. Premature to have articles yet. Agreed wait a few weeks and see if the show survives first, and once it does, only create an article on Betty herself until or unless any of the supporting characters become notable. 23skidoo 22:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete All Including ugly Betty Seems to be prediction not reporting fact. At the very best OR. at worst speculation and PR puffery. Spartaz 22:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply I think that's going a little too far. The show premieres this week on a major network and would be notable at this point even it's cancelled before airing (which is very unlikely given the positive buzz about it). - Richfife 23:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I never intended for the show's article to be deleted, I just think the characters need to go. Giant onehead 16:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Ugly Betty. If the show becomes a hit and that article becomes unmanageably long, then we can re-assess this. Cromulent Kwyjibo 23:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep -- for now (and monitor). WOULD IT KILL US TO WAIT A MONTH AND SEE? Someone obviously went to a lot of trouble to create all the articles. If the show is a hit the articles will probably get expanded. Deleting or merging now could just create the need to redo all the work. If the show tanks, all the merging, etc., can be done later.
  • However, in any event the articles should be renamed to indicate they are TV show characters. RickReinckens 05:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. The thing is, we have standards here, and we can't go around and make exceptions like that. Just because someone "worked" hard to create the articles does not mean that they are instantly notable or should be kept. Yes, the show has a fair amount of hype, but that doesn't mean that the show will be sucessful. I think it's best to delete/merge the articles until it can be assumed that the characters are notable (if ever). Giant onehead 13:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

My point is what's the big deal about waiting one month? Many articles are listed as stubs with only 2-3 sentences and they are kept sitting around for months "in case someone decides to expand it". One month won't kill anybody. Regarding "we have standards", "Wikipedia is not a beaucracy." It isn't necessary to make a decision immediately--monitoring relevant external events for a short period is the best approach. RickReinckens 02:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment Well, you're wrong, simple as that. There is a problem waiting another month or so as we can't just make exceptions for articles. Odds are, the article will be merged or such, and if it's certified as a notable show to allow character pages, then perhaps they can be recreated at a later date. WP is not a crystal ball, and we can't just forcast what is notable. Giant onehead 04:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

• Merge per others. Never Mystic (tc) 01:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Ugly Betty has just premiered with ridiculously high numbers, so cancellation is unlikely. This is no different than the articles for characters of Lost or Desperate Housewives.--Isocyanide 18:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I really don't think the reasoning for this vote is valid. Yes, it did get decent ratings, but that doesn't mean that the show would be kept long-term at this point. And Lost and Desperate Housewives are confirmed hits and have been around for a few years, this show has only aired one episode and probably got the high ratings mainly on curiosity and the fact that Grey's Anatomy was on afterwards. Even a show like We Got it Made got pretty high ratings at first, but that show got dumped fairly quickly, and not even all of the actors on the show have articles, let alone characters. Giant onehead 20:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• Merge with Ugly Betty. The previous versions of this show have had at least moderate (often great) success in many other countries, including Russia, Spain, Columbia, and Mexico. Also, with the large Latino population in the United States, there are many people within the country who are familiar with the show already. While the jury is out on how it will fare in the US, I think that given its previous track record, the hype surrounding the show, and the great ratings it has recieved so far, so what's the harm in simply merging them with the Ugly Betty page and going from there in a month or so? Mhtbhm 04:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep for Betty Suarez and Merge to Ugly Betty for the rest. In time, the supporting characters could branch out into their own articles, but right now there isn't enough information in those articles to keep them seperate. - Lex 05:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I hate that I'm making so many comments on this issue, but I'll make some more. I really don't understand where people think that initial good ratings mean that the show is an instant hit or is instantly notable or what. I'm not suprised that the ratings were alright for the premiere (not a "giantic success", but respectible), there was a lot of hype and the premise was unique and it has Grey's Anatomy following it. Who knows what the ratings will end up next week? Even a show like The Single Guy always had decent ratings based on lead-ins and such, and I don't see any characters getting pages for that show. I'll make a compromise and Withdraw Betty Suarez from consideration for deletion. Even if the show got cancelled tommorow, the hype and buzz about the character make her notable for WP for sure. I still stand by that the other articles nominated should be merged/deleted. Giant onehead 04:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.