Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bellevue West High School (2nd nomination)

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The result of the debate was keep. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:08, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bellevue West High School

This vanity article's last vfd was closed with a result of merge. A sockpuppet banned from VfD refused to accept consensus, and reverted the closing redirect against several editors, adding trivia less notable than my proverbial pet fish to the article as he went. The article is currently protected in a disgusting display of biased inclusionism, three minutes after the protecting admin reverted it to the non-consensus version. While I admit this vfd is probably futile, as the schoolwatch trolls will flock to it like sheep, the article should still be deleted as utterly non-notable. —Korath (Talk) 07:13, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

• Comment This wasn't listed on VfD by the nominator so I've added it to the May 26 listings. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:03, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

• Baa Baa. Bleat Bleat. [Just to be predictably English-eccentric] --Simon Cursitor 07:46, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

• Waaah, waaah, waaah. Keep unless someone suggests an actual reason for deleting and take the drama elsewhere. Ben-w 07:50, 25 May 2005 (UTC).
• Keep and expand once the page is unprotected. Though I agree with Harro5, I don't want to refraing from voting and risk the page being deleted. Secondary schools are inherently notable. --BaronLarf 11:23, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. It's a shame that the lister included an attack on those who think that schools should be in Wikipedia. Wikipedia would not get far if we all engaged in such behavior. I've looked at the local school district article, Bellevue Public Schools, and I don't think a merge would be suitable in this case. It's no longer a brief stub. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:25, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'm also concerned at the lister's misinterpretation of the result of the last VfD. The closer, Rossami, made it quite plain that the result was no consensus and that in merging he was merely being bold. I sometimes do this myself but, to avoid this kind of misinterpretation I always carry out the editing after closing and as a separate edit. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:31, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. The lister also writes: "The article is currently protected in a disgusting display of biased inclusionism, three minutes after the protecting admin reverted it to the non-consensus version"
  • Actually that was me protecting the article which I'd been told was subject to a revert war. When I got there there was indeed a very silly revert war in progress. I protected The Wrong Version, as is my privilege, because of a perception, which I think was quite correct, that an attempt was being made to enforce a merge without consensus. Four people up to that point had tried to get it back to an article and four people had tried to get it back to a redirect. That just doesn't happen when there is a consensus. I made a rather exasperated note about the whole silly thing on the talk page at the time. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:37, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] End discussion please

I urge everybody accept the fact that this vote will end in 'no consensus', and to not increase VfD size by adding more votes. Wait for the forthcoming vote before deciding. See also Wikipedia:Schools. Harro5 08:01, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

• Merge the damned thing already, or if the school fanatics won't accept that, delete --Carnildo 18:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)\
• Delete. Non-notable. My favorite line in the article is, "Bellevue West High School is known for their academics and sports." That's truly unique for a high school, and I'd love to see the cite on it. The notable alumnus is also good for a laugh. Quale 00:29, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, though this is another obvious no consensus. Christopher Parham (talk) 00:55, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
  • Oh I dunno, I was hoping we could try for another keep this time. :) (this is not a vote)--Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:26, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. DS1953 01:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Once again, the school VfDs were only funny when Neutrality did them. Ketsuban (is better than you) 01:30, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Articles such as this should not be deleted until at least the discussion at Wikipedia:schools is settled. --M412k 01:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. I think we could do without the fight song unless it has achieved notoriety of which I am unaware. Capitalistroadster 02:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Capitalist, I greatly respect the cleanup work you do, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect much improvement in this article. It's on its second trip through VfD, and its already got about 60 edits (of that total GRider has made about 20 and Tony about 5). It is what it is. Notable Alumni have been doubled by including a college volleyball player to go along with the original notable alumnus, Mr Biggs, a radio DJ. I guess some people might consider that an improvement. For some reason WP doesn't yet have an article on their cross-town rival, Bellevue East High School. It isn't even a redlink in the article, although Mr Biggs is. Quale 05:05, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Possibly not but it might be useful feedback given that it is likely that we will end up with a hung vote on this school and the school will probably remain.Capitalistroadster 05:41, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, personally I don't find either of the alumni listed to be notable. The quality of an article can't be measured by number of edits and length, otherwise a rambling 30 paragraph long article of asides and irrelevency would be viewed as better than a one paragraph straight to the point article. Average Earthman 18:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
      • That's actually the way that secondary school articles are usually judged. Quale 20:43, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Aaaaargh. Can we get a moratorium on school VfDs? I'm as big an opponent of schoolcruft as most of the delete voters here, but this is just getting silly. (BTW, a radio DJ and a college volleyball player are notable alumni?) AиDя01DTALK 02:26, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: It's a school. It has students. The same could be said about the local donut shop. Why is this particular school needed in an encyclopedia? As for the desired moratorium on votes, I hate to be cynical, but this is the way I look at it: school votes end up with half and half (unless the valiant warriors of Schoolwatch get clued in, and then a dozen "OMG KEEEP!!!! Schools must never be deleted ever ever ever you trolls! Start an RfC on the nominator!" votes show up, and then it's about 60/40. True. However, the policy proposal can end no other way than a similar knot. Not to vote until a definitive conclusion to the policy discussion is, de facto, to vote "keep" on all and to welcome more stunningly profound entries as "Lincoln School is an elementary school in New Jersey" to the encyclopedia. I should rather say that a moratorium could be observed after a policy consensus is reached. Until then, these nasty fights will continue, with people acting entirely irrationally and hating each other over the absurd issue of meaningless stubs staying or going. Geogre 03:42, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Oh I say, it's really not a hating matter, is it? A number of people make hopeless, doomed VfD listings and they fail to reach consensus (or, increasingly often, end up with a straight majority to keep). That's the beginnning and the end of it. None of us need hate or be hated, I should hope. It's just a difference of opinion. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 07:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Unless some well known people have graduated from the school, or there was some notable contreversy surrounding the school, or the school had a unique or ground-breaking program of some sort. Contrast the school in question with the only other school in the "Nebraska high schools" category: Brownell-Talbot School. The latter school was the first school in Nebraska, and claims Peter Fonda among its allumni. It's possible there's something notable about Bellevue West, but I can't tell that there is from the article, and I'm sure Nebraska has hundreds of other high schools which are just as un-noteworthy, so let the fun begin~! --Blackcats 06:24, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep This school is very notable, just by existing. User:GRider/Schoolwatch Klonimus 06:32, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, this school, apart from being verifiable and wikipedia:important, has one of the best marching bands in the USA and thus passes WP:MUSIC. Kappa 08:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• delete another crap article about a non-notable school, telling us how big its canteen is, leaving any sane person totally underwhelmed (although I fear my attempts to to stop this flood of crapcruft is failing) Dunc|☺ 16:09, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia is not about overwhelming people, its about providing them with information. Kappa 16:34, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
    • My coffee mug is brown, and the air conditioning in my office doesn't work. There, that's information. Going to make an article of it? Of course not, because it is inconsequential drivel. This is a deliberately silly example of course, but just to show a line has to be drawn somewhere. Average Earthman 18:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
      • No offense, but I don't think anyone is likely to want to look those facts up. Also they are pretty much unverfiable, and not likely to be true for any length of time. Kappa 23:16, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
        • Well, I thought my statement that they were deliberately silly was a bit of a clue that I thought they were useless facts, and that was indeed the whole point - they're only slightly more trivial and pointless than which school a local radio DJ went to.Average Earthman 08:50, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep this informative article. Lupin 16:40, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• No vote. Could we please just stop with the school nominations until we decide what we're going to do with them? Scimitar 18:15, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, verifiable. - SimonP 23:32, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base, that is, it is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Average Earthman 08:58, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
  • So is the publication record of any scientist. Does this mean that every published scientist warrants an article? Average Earthman 08:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
    • If you go to the donations page you will see that the mission statement set out by Jimbo states that we are gathering the "sum of all human knowledge," I see no reason this excludes high schools. Wikipedia is not a directory so hundreds of lists of scientists by publication would probably not belong here. Personally I feel prose is a requirement for an article and if a list of publications is the only information that is verifiable it would be best to move such pages to another Wikiproject. That said if someone started creating such pages more than likley they would be kept, most published professors survive VfD. - SimonP 14:42, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
• keep this again please it is verifiable and interesting Yuckfoo 23:41, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - another awful useless school article. -- Cyrius|✎ 02:08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Schools belong in Wikipedia. Unfocused 03:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, 42. Radiant_* 08:19, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into Bellevue, Nebraska and delete - Skysmith 08:53, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, needs expansion. -- Lochaber 14:31, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and allow for extra helpings of BEEFSTEW. —RaD Man (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into Bellevue, Nebraska and delete Denni☯ 03:49, 2005 May 28 (UTC)
• Delete. "The school claims its marching band, the Thunderbirds, to be one of the best in the country." Fascinating. Neutrality^talk 03:50, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Please stop asking people not to vote. CalJW 23:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the damn thing and stop wasting our time. The last vote did not decide for merge either, that was some admin's improper decision. --Zero 19:58, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep (am I too late?) — Dan | Talk 00:49, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

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