Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Ventersdorp

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep - discussions as to a possible redirect or merge can take place on the talk page. Yomangani^talk 11:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Ventersdorp

Event described is not notable (insignificant civil march not a battle), no pages link to it. Deon Steyn 06:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. No evidence of notability. MER-C 07:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This was a significant moment in the transition from apartheid when the AWB were still threatening civil war. Against the in-depth coverage given to various marches in African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955-1968) there's a lot more to be written about what happened in South Africa. Think about systemic bias. --Mereda 11:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletions. -- Mereda 11:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as a non-notable event unless some more verifiable, independent citations can be provided. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 14:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Dammit! If only I knew my own history...Delete The article itself does not provide evidence of notability, nor is this event inherently notable. Redirect to Eugène Terre'Blanche Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging as a plausible search term, and per this "related article" Google search. Zunaid 15:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Significant event. The article now includes a citation to back up the claim of notability. It was a significant event in far-right opposition to the ending of apartheid. This and similar events led President FW de Klerk to call a referendum, in order to neutralise the right-wing populist claim that negotiations were not supported by the white electorate. The article can still be improved, of course. Redirecting to Eugene Terreblanche is not appropriate - it was far more than simply an event in Terre'blanche's life. Zaian 09:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment – Even if it is notable enough, it doesn't warrant a separate article and it could be redirect/merged to AWB (the organization holding the march) and mentioned there. --Deon Steyn 09:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • If the person who proposed the deletion based on non-notability no longer disputes that this is a notable event, then the original deletion proposal doesn't seem to hold much weight. Not warranting a separate article makes it a candidate for merge, expand, or similar, but not for deletion. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Problem articles where deletion may not be needed. Zaian 10:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Don't get me wrong, if still say it is non-notable and definitely not worthy of a separate article. Deon Steyn 13:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Since the nomination, the article has been heavily extended and improved, adding context, sources, and evidence of notability. Deletion is obviously no longer appropriate, and personally I don't think a merge is appropriate either. Zaian 15:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This was an event which attracted worldwide coverage at the time and its outcome was crucial in the way in which South Africa dismantled Apartheid. A further element of notability is asserted in the article in that it was "the first time white extremist groups had been forcefully opposed by the South African security forces". JASpencer 07:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.