Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Metropolis

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus (therefore keep). Bucketsofg 23:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Metropolis

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NN superhero fight that appears in two issues of a comic book series. We simply can't devote articles to spandex slap fights when all of the information is already covered in the article about the series it appears in, in this case Infinite Crisis. Incidentally, has anyone noticed how many articles about fictional events use the {{Infobox Military Conflict}} template inappropriately?Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

• Shudder...I mean Delete - we do not need articles on every aspect of every series regardless of how notable. Noting some issues with OR as well, for example in the casualty list. Otto4711 23:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - Its already mentioned in the articel for Infinite Crisis. Its simply not major enough to need iown article beyond that. Stephen Day 23:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
• Solve it with a Redirect to Infinite Crisis then? preserves history for non-admins and keeps it easily findable Edit: change to keep considering its importance within Infinite Crisis. it is therefore a valid subarticle. —siroχo 02:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. Why is it inappropriate to use the military conflict infobox for fictional battles? --Hemlock Martinis 07:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep — Notable comic book series, not completely unsourced, needs work to be honest. Also, Wikipedia is not paper, there is no reason why we can't have an article on every notable comic book, comic book battle or television series. Also the military infobox is perfectly justifiable (and thus I'll re-add it..) in the article, I see no "usage guidelines" for it. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 12:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment — Sure there is: It's excessive. We have notability guidelines for a lot of subjects, and I think it's really time we got more into what fictional elements are appropriate as article subjects on Wikipedia. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Needs to be sourced, it's a remarkable bit of work and I like the military battles infobox. --Basique 16:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. The only possible source is the Infinite Crisis miniseries itself (which is a primary source), and this is already covered in appropriate detail in the article on that series. Just because Wikipedia isn't paper doesn't mean we have to duplicate in explicit detail ever story ever committed to paper. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - It is notable. Here are a couple of independant sources that talk about it: [1], [2]. Even without them, Infinite Crisis and every signigicant part of it are notable. - Peregrine Fisher 09:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Neither page is about the subject of this article; each mentions subject in passing only. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 10:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - Participants may find Category:Fictional battles interesting as well: Category is full of similar articles, all misusing infoboxes and speaking about events only from an in-universe perspective, both of which go against WP:WAF. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 10:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep: We have a Fictional Battles category, and the Battle of Metropolis is a fictional events still bearing consequences in every DC title One Year Later related. SO, I think it can stay. A huge Infinite Crisis article full of details about all the matters covered will be muddy, not practical DrTofu83 14:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - the existence of a category does not justify the article's existence. I have found that few of the articles in this category belong here because they suffer from the same problems: reperesenting fictional events as if real, using only primary sources (something WP:CMC has said is grounds for deletion as non-notable), and generally just focusing on minutiae without really discussing the real-world publishing information. These attract a lot of OR and speculation because they are cruft articles without basis in anything but primary sources. This isn't a guide to comic book storyines. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment If the lack of secondary sources is the matter, Peregrine Fisher has posted something of regular. I also think that the fictional quality of the events is quite evident. Plus, the Battle of Metropolis event was a metafictional event told in more than one publication, so it's more than a simple plotline, but a closure event. If it's really needed to delete it, but I still cast my vote for keep, we've at least to put a passing reference of the death count in People died during Infinite Crisis. But we'll lose reference of a focal event of the whole comic event. DrTofu83 11:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• KeepBrian Boru is awesome 21:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment How about out-of-universe perspective to fit it in? Brian Boru is awesome 17:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Can you please give more of a reason? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable conclusion of a major DC Comics storyline turning point. --Hemlock Martinis 06:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - What important information is covered here that is not covered in Infinite Crisis?--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
    • The article provides substantial background into the battle, and explains its ramifications, which the Infinite Crisis article does not do. --Hemlock Martinis 15:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. It's simply "SUPERHERO FIGHT FIGHT" and has no actual bearing on anything. ' 06:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.185.182.177 (talk • contribs).
• Merge into Infinite Crisis any relevant info and Delete the rest. This fictional battle has no long-term consequenses in the real world that are separate from those in Infinite Crisis. Background into the battle, and its ramifications, are all in-universe perspectives. CovenantD 19:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. I don't see how this would merit inclusion in an encylopedia--The Spith 19:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Does it create Precedent for other comic battles to have their own articles made? There are at least a half dozen with bigger consequences than this one, surely that should be taken into account. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.132.210.73 (talk) 18:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.