Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bassem Feghali
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep and request expert help. Rockpocket 04:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bassem Feghali
Bare assertion of notability, very few ghits. Doesn't seem a very notable entertainer. Seraphimblade 08:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, maybe even speedy db-bio? yandman 08:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Weak delete, unless I'm missing something here I don't see a mass of notability. Not a speedy candidate, since the assertion is that he pioneered doing something that isn't patently nonsensical (he didn't pioneer eating his own foot, for example). BigHaz - Schreit mich an 08:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- db-bio, not db-nonsense. yandman 10:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- The constraint on db-bio is, as BigHaz has correctly pointed out, that if the article contains any assertion of notability it must come to AFD, where more than one pair of eyeballs get the chance to do the research to determine whether the subject actually satisfies our WP:BIO criteria. To that end: What research did you do to determine that the WP:BIO criteria are not satisfied by this person, and hence to come to the conclusion that the article should be deleted? Your rationale makes no mention of any research. Uncle G 12:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Was that my rationale or Yandman's rationale? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- The latter. Uncle G 17:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Neither the "MUREX" nor the "Anjar International Festival" are in Wikipedia, and the other "assertions of notability" in this article are more generic praise: "gave a new meaning to...", "legendary singer..." than true assertions. yandman 15:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- You're not getting it, are you!!!!... First, while Bassem is an exceptional comedian, he is NOT a Legendary singer... He is actually a LOUSY singer who could not sing if his life depended on it. To the Lebanese, the Murex is equivalent to the OSCARS in the U.S. The Anjar Festival is equivalent to Woodstock in the US. Refer to Anjar International Festival The fact that it is not in Wikipedia stems from the fact that people totally ignorant of the Lebanese Culture are badgering people who know the Lebanese culture all too well!... You are doing the BIGGEST disfavor to Wikipedia...Lcnj 15:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- On the subject of disfavours, you aren't doing your argument any favours by attacking editors instead of citing sources as I previously encouraged you to do below. Sources are your best, and only, arguments. Uncle G 10:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- Checking whether Wikipedia has articles isn't really research. There are lots of subjects still missing from Wikipedia (And, conversely, there are articles in Wikipedia that don't belong.). Research involves looking outside of Wikipedia. Looking at the assertions of notability in the article isn't research, either. The task of AFD is to actually check these things, not to take what the article says purely on trust, and not to ignore what the article may currently omit. Uncle G 10:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- You're not getting it, are you!!!!... First, while Bassem is an exceptional comedian, he is NOT a Legendary singer... He is actually a LOUSY singer who could not sing if his life depended on it. To the Lebanese, the Murex is equivalent to the OSCARS in the U.S. The Anjar Festival is equivalent to Woodstock in the US. Refer to Anjar International Festival The fact that it is not in Wikipedia stems from the fact that people totally ignorant of the Lebanese Culture are badgering people who know the Lebanese culture all too well!... You are doing the BIGGEST disfavor to Wikipedia...Lcnj 15:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Neither the "MUREX" nor the "Anjar International Festival" are in Wikipedia, and the other "assertions of notability" in this article are more generic praise: "gave a new meaning to...", "legendary singer..." than true assertions. yandman 15:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- The latter. Uncle G 17:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Was that my rationale or Yandman's rationale? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- The constraint on db-bio is, as BigHaz has correctly pointed out, that if the article contains any assertion of notability it must come to AFD, where more than one pair of eyeballs get the chance to do the research to determine whether the subject actually satisfies our WP:BIO criteria. To that end: What research did you do to determine that the WP:BIO criteria are not satisfied by this person, and hence to come to the conclusion that the article should be deleted? Your rationale makes no mention of any research. Uncle G 12:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- db-bio, not db-nonsense. yandman 10:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Very limited google hits, but subject has toured internationally. We may want to consider systemic bias.
- hummingbirdcentre
- Cached page from http://www.cedarsusa.com/events/2006/2006.htm Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 14:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Weak keep Even though there's some POV in the choice of words for the article, I think it's notable enough to be kept. Definitely needs reworking though. Gimlei 15:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Keep seems to be notable in Lebanon and was also performing abroad (US). (I added some refs to the article) Optimale Gu 15:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- KEEP - First, there was no assumption of good faith... which is THE CASE here. Second, Bassem Feghali in Lebanon has the legendary status of Bob Hope in the U.S. He is funny as hell and comes from the CORE of Lebanese comedy while introducing to Lebanon female impersonation... something that the Lebanese would have never embraced if it wasn't for the exceptional talent of Feghali. Lebanon is a very small country with very limited resources for internet exposure so you will not find a zillion articles on the net or many hits on google for MANY famous Lebanese. This is why we need to include famous Lebanese celebreties without discrimination. No one in the US would ever dispute the status of Bob Hope in he US or Louis de Funes in France. No one would EVER dispute the status of Bassem Feghali in Lebanon and in many parts of teh Arab world. Unless you are Lebanese or an Arab, you most likely have never heard of Bassem Feghali... just as much as an Arab (not Arab American) most likey has never heard of Bob Hope. The motion to delete Bassem Feghali's page is motivated either by racial discrimination or sheer ignorance of who Bassem Feghali is. Both of them stem from ignorance. Lcnj 18:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- It is not a reason for discarding our discriminatory faculties. It is a reason for articles on such subjects to cite sources. Uncle G 18:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- In what way was Good Faith not assumed? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please refer to my Bob Hope analogy. I could not have made it more foolproof. The person who has requested deletion is eveidently ignorant of the status of Bassem Feghali as a very notable comedian in Lebanon. While I expect him to be ignorant of Bassem Feghali, I also expect him to assume good faith, as he should, when his knowledge is obviously very limited... and someone who knows a lot more than he will ever know about Lebanon is making a good faith effort to introduce them to Wikipedia. Frankly, such ignorance and OVER-INFLATED egos cause nothing but a waste of valuable time that should be used to introduce more unique content to Lebanon, Lebanese related matters and other unique content the world over Lcnj 15:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- No personal attacks please. The burden is upon the creator of the article to provide sources attesting to Bassem's notability. You'll notice that the template says "that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject". yandman 15:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- The creator of the article DID provide whatever limited sources were available!!!!! Also, such burden is extremely LOPSIDED and it is discrimnatory against ethnic minorities (non-Americans) in the world who have limited sources and resources. Assume good faith already!!!... I can ASSURE you that YOU and everyone else on this talk have NO IDEA who "Christophe" is... Yet, I was absolutely delighted to find that someone else had placed a stub with minimal information he or she had. I came and I added what I know... Someone else will come and provide more info and so on and so forth. Enough of this unnecessary badgering for something that should have taken a few minutes!!!!!!!!!!!! Lcnj 15:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- User blocked 24h for breach of WP:NPA. yandman 16:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- The creator of the article DID provide whatever limited sources were available!!!!! Also, such burden is extremely LOPSIDED and it is discrimnatory against ethnic minorities (non-Americans) in the world who have limited sources and resources. Assume good faith already!!!... I can ASSURE you that YOU and everyone else on this talk have NO IDEA who "Christophe" is... Yet, I was absolutely delighted to find that someone else had placed a stub with minimal information he or she had. I came and I added what I know... Someone else will come and provide more info and so on and so forth. Enough of this unnecessary badgering for something that should have taken a few minutes!!!!!!!!!!!! Lcnj 15:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- No personal attacks please. The burden is upon the creator of the article to provide sources attesting to Bassem's notability. You'll notice that the template says "that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject". yandman 15:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please refer to my Bob Hope analogy. I could not have made it more foolproof. The person who has requested deletion is eveidently ignorant of the status of Bassem Feghali as a very notable comedian in Lebanon. While I expect him to be ignorant of Bassem Feghali, I also expect him to assume good faith, as he should, when his knowledge is obviously very limited... and someone who knows a lot more than he will ever know about Lebanon is making a good faith effort to introduce them to Wikipedia. Frankly, such ignorance and OVER-INFLATED egos cause nothing but a waste of valuable time that should be used to introduce more unique content to Lebanon, Lebanese related matters and other unique content the world over Lcnj 15:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- In what way was Good Faith not assumed? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- It is not a reason for discarding our discriminatory faculties. It is a reason for articles on such subjects to cite sources. Uncle G 18:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Although notability is in question, and sources referenced in the article are slim and non-journalistic, I would err on the side of inclusion. There seems to be some evidence of notability and the article needs a lot of help. --Mattarata 18:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
