Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbie Almalbis

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 00:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barbie Almalbis

nn performer of nn band; prod tag removed by author Robocoder 01:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment WP:MUSIC is a guideline. The number Google search results isn't one of the criteria. If it were, then the number of inbound links to her official web site would equally mean something. Following the Google News links, only two lead to the article -- the others are 404 or not found. Nomination != Award. Allmusic and Discog don't list her singles compilation or album, Parade, and Google doesn't turn up anything on the number of copies sold.[1] -- Robocoder 14:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• Oysusmariyosep! You must keep her as she is so very mahal. No seriously, she passes WP:MUSIC. Brian G. Crawford 01:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, easily meets WP:MUSIC: [2] --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 02:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Seems to be fairly well-known in the Philippines. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A search gets 142,000 Google hits see [3] so notable artist in Phillippines. Article needs a cleanup. Been nominated for three Phillippine music awards [4] Capitalistroadster 04:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per above external links. Appears to be notable in the Philippines, with a rising career too.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  06:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per previous users, noting possible systemic bias, but wish above claims of notability were actually in the article. TheProject 18:29, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, important enough in the Philippines. ProhibitOnions 21:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, by MikeSantos, original author. Argh, a bit frustrating as I don't quite yet understand why Wikipedia is insisting on deleting this entry.
  • Comment I prod'd Barbie Almalbis because it didn't assert notability. It's not personal Mike, but I also prod'd your page on Kitchie Nadal for the same reason. While I don't side with the 'Keeps' on Almalbis, my searches did yield information that supported notability for Nadal, for which I've since withdrawn my prod. Compare: past & present. -- Robocoder 13:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per others. Arbusto 22:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep at all costs. Notable. --Howard the Duck | talk, 16:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per above. She's not only notable and popular (by some respects), but also the article falls in line with current guidelines. Just because she was the frontman of the now-defunct Barbie's Cradle doesn't mean that her article is not notable. That, in my opinion, is tantamount to also deleting similar articles. --Akira123323 17:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Besides being a very popular Filipino female artist, she's marrying Senator Gringo Honasan's son thus a newsworthy person that deserves notability. She has been popular since the late 1990s, during the heydays of Hungry Young Poets and Barbie's Cradle. Please give me one good reason why Barbie isn't notable. -Jojit fb 03:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Explicitly keep. For the reason that she was one of those who struggled to keep OPM alive during the times of foreign music domination. We must show how noteworthy our artists are. I also propose to make a project about Filipino artists. Also, Barbie Almalbis broke from her group, Barbie's Cradle, so she should have her won article, being that she already has her own carrer apart from the band. If so, it would be tantamount to deleting an article about Bamboo. Justox dizaola 03:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Perhaps all you 'Keeps' could contribute a bit to save Barbie's Cradle, Mojofly, and Hungry Young Poets before the axe falls. -- Robocoder
  • Comment. Is it a requirement to expand an AFD in order to save it? I think this is the first time I heard of this. Please educate me if this is a new policy. As far as I know, if the problem is the incompleteness of the article then you should have tagged it as a stub. That is already stated in the Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Problem articles with alternatives to deletion. --Jojit fb 06:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Regarding Barbie's Cradle and Hungry Young Poets, I think that these two articles should be merged instead. --Jojit fb 06:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Re:Comment. Merge them. They're basically the same, under "Barbie's Cradle." --Howard the Duck | talk, 09:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks. Merged. (Sorry to expand the scope of the AfD...just exploiting the attention of those interested in OPM artists/bands.) -- Robocoder 12:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as well, or I'd rather change the template to stub instead of AfD. Barbie (as a solo artist) is relatively new so it's understandable to have a few facts about her as an artist (unless we wanted a showbusiness-like profile here). Batewtew 09:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC) 09:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong redirect to Barbie's Cradle. What other important info can you add in the article other than what is in Barbie's Cradle? Her solo career can be added in a post breakup section for example. Eventhough our guts (mine too) tell us she is notable, technically speaking, I agree with User:Robocoder the article should still assert why she is notable. (example: No. 1 album in a list or chart, album going platinum, musical awards, and the like, NOT examples like her appearing in a Nescafe commercial, or publicity by association such as boyfriends, or being a subject of fantasy, and the like) If this is asserted in the article then keep. :) --Noypi380 14:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. I think if we are going to redirect (although I disagree to that proposal), it should be the other way around (i.e. redirect Barbie's Cradle to Barbie Almalbis). The person is more important than a disbanded group. Besides, when people think about Barbie's Cradle, they think of Barbie Almalbis. --Jojit fb 01:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Re:Comment. OK, since we already have the Barbie Almalbis and Barbie's Cradle articles separate, lets keep it that way. If we'll merge them in either direction, and Barbie's career grows, then we'll have to split it off again. --Howard the Duck | talk, 14:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.