Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Auchinawa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Feel free to try again shortly if you think it still isn't notable; however, at this stage, this debate has yielded no reasonable concensus either way. - Daniel.Bryant 06:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Auchinawa

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Convention only started last year and had less than 500 people. With that, I seem to be able to determine that this convention is non-notable. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 08:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I haven't yet decided on this one. However, I do want to say that attendance figures aren't the sole measure of notability. Since this is the first and only convention in Scotland, it is notable. But the biggest problem I have with the article is lack of references to reliable third-party sources. If I do decide for delete, it would be for that reason alone. --Farix (Talk) 12:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Is there any established guideline for what counts as a "reliable" source for anime conventions? It's not like many of them are covered by the New York Times or anything, and most news outlets are amateur websites, especially in the UK. It's also rare that any established American news sites (like AnimeNewsNetwork.com, for instance) covers conventions on this side of the Atlantic. --aniki21 15:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment The guidelines for what qualifies as a reliable source is found at WP:RS. As for lack of anime convention coverage in the UK, well that's something that Wikipedia can't do anything about, nor make exceptions for. --Farix (Talk) 19:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

While I am sympathetic to this issue, the fact that a given topic is so specialized or under-the-radar that third party sources are exceedingly difficult to find indicates that it should not be on wikipedia. Editors often forget that wikipedia is not actually meant to be a compendium of ALL human knowledge and experience. It is an encyclopedia.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 16:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep I agree with Farix. There's a fair amount of info (more than a lot of cons) here. I don't think the lack of references alone is a reason to kill it off. If that were true, we'd have like 2 anime con articles left on Wikipedia. We just need people to start putting references in. It shouldn't be hard to find them, but it takes time. --PatrickD 18:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
• How about.. Give deadline for more references, then delete if none? I also agree with the idea that attendance shouldn't be the only thing we look at, but without references it becomes a WP:V issue. -- Ned Scott 03:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. No references to establish notability. A quich search and the fact that none have been forthcoming in the year the article has existed leads me to believe there are none. However, I'm willing to change my opinion if proven wrong by the deadline of the the end of this AfD. Nuttah68 15:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I utterly disagree with the nominator's suggestion that attendance is the only measure of notability for an anime convention. As the first anime convention in Scotland, Auchinawa is notable. The lack of references is an issue, but I don't believe it's reason for deletion on its own. --aniki21 15:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Being the first Anime and J-Culture convention in Scotland, I also believe that this is notable. The references need updating and adding, but I feel I can have these done by the end of the day. Mystcb 15:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I agree with the points raised above, attendance should not be a criteria used to define notability, especially with regards to conventions in the UK, where attendance is on average far below the likes of conventions across the Atlantic. Ninja Steve 18.21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 09:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: please see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-09 09:13Z
• Delete unless references are found that verify the facts and establish notability. Was it really the first such convention in Scotland? How can I believe that without seeing a third party reference? -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 16:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Here is a list of all the UK anime conventions from 1980 through 2006. I'm no expert on cities in Scotland or the UK, but Auchinawa in Glasgow seems to be the first in Scotland according to that list. --PatrickD 18:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.