Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atiana de la Hoya (2nd nom)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP (no consensus). TigerShark 22:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atiana de la Hoya

This is the second nomination for this article (and perhaps the third). The article survived a VFD nomination in July 2005 with no consensus (in fact the nominator withdrew the nom at "four keeps, three redirects, one merge, one delete, one merge or delete". In Februrary this year, MacRusgail attempted to place an AFD tag on here but it was reverted the following day by Cryptic with the message: "previously kept, no new deletion rationale or afd page created".

From memory there has been precedent set recently that being the child of someone notable does not confer notability. Yes the child has been on the reality TV show Meet the Barkers, but I again recall precedent (unfortunately I cannot recall the subject in either case, I think the first one was a Travolta) that suggests one must have a significant contribution to the show to be considered notable.

I propose either deleting this article, or merging it with Meet the Barkers. There is currently a brief mention of the child on her mother Shanna Moakler's article, as well as that of father Oscar de la Hoya. -- PageantUpdater 22:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

PS I just wanted to add apologies in advance if I have titled this nomination incorrectly, but I could not find instructions on how to set up a second nomination so I just did what I could to make it work :P -- PageantUpdater 22:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to Meet the Barkers, the television show on which she appeared, in accordance with nomination. There is no content in this article other than her family relationships and the fact that she appeared on that television show. --Metropolitan90 00:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but redirect while there's a lack of signficant content. The topic of this person belongs in the encyclopedia, somewhere, but there doesn't seem to be sufficient content to justify a standalone article now. Normally, a {{mergeto}} tag would be the appropriate route, followed by a redirect in the absence of objection. Wikipedia:Deletion policy suggests that "Such a minor branch of a subject that it doesn't deserve an article" should not be deleted, but instead says the solution is to "Merge the useful content into a more comprehensive article and redirect.", by using the {{mergeto}} tag. --Rob 02:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as this person meets WP:BIO, allow article to expand. Silensor 17:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment how exactly does she meet WP:BIO? Widely recognized entertainment personalities and opinion makers (ie - Hollywood Walk of Fame) -- no, Notable actors and television personalities who have appeared in well-known films or television productions. Notability can be determined by: Multiple features in popular culture publications such as Vogue, GQ, Elle, FHM or national newspapers -- no, A large fan base, fan listing or "cult" following -- not for the child, An independent biography -- no, Name recognition -- highly doubt it, Commercial endorsements -- no. Not trying to be argumentative but I truly can't see how this child passes the test? -- PageantUpdater 22:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Easily, both Barker and de la Hoya have a large fanbase, so the show has a large fanbase, so she meets the qualifications. Easy keep. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
      • But this isn't an article about either parent, or about the show. Is the child notable? No, because notability cannot be inherited. -- PageantUpdater 22:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
        • The child is notable because the parents and show are. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.