Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asian Wisconzine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy delete per author request [1]. ZimZalaBim (talk) 13:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asian Wisconzine

Asian Wisconzine (discussion|history|protect|delete|undelete|logs|links)

Appears to fail WP:WEB but the Small Business Award might be enough to meet the criteria, although this was for the publisher. I originally tagged this as {{db-bio}} but now I believe it needs further discussion Gwernol 03:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment- given the award, I did a major cleanup of the article so it is less of an advertisement --ZimZalaBim (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, the original editor reverted it back to the long, promotional version. Fine - I'll leave that up for AfD. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 04:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I would like to see more information and sources before I would commit to a strong keep. --Kf4bdy ^{talk contribs} 04:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• ASIAN WISCONZINE It had enough info until it was "cleaned up" by ZimZalaBim. --alden pascual
• Delete - the person, not the magazine got the award. Of course, they're probably pretty much one and the same. Any idea how many of these awards the SBA gives out? And what's the level of real merit for a journalism award given out by the SBA anyway? Is the criteria good journalism, or is it just turning a profit sooner than expected? Rklawton 04:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• Here are some points for your consideration:

1. The MAGAZINE is the FIRST AND ONLY ALL-INCLUSIVE MAGAZINE IN WISCONSIN. It is a milestone in itself. 2. The publisher has received various certificates of recognition from the governor of Wisconsin, the Dane County executive, and the Mayor of the City of Madison3. Most recently, the publisher and editor received the 2006 Journalist of the year award for the State of Wisconsin from the US Small Business Administration. 4. Asian Wisconzine is the ONLY VENUE for discussions of issues being faced by Asian Americans in contemporary America. It is a printed magazine with an online version distributed free in hundreds of retail outlets in Wisconsin, and has hundreds of paid subscribers in the academe, professional circles, neighborhood centers, and individual homes.

Like I said, the award is for the publisher and editor which she received because of the magazine. The magazine has already covered a lot of issues and can be viewed on the website's archives (www.asianwisconzine.com). The award can be verified at www.sba.gov as a pdf file. (http://www.sba.gov/idc/groups/public/documents/wi_milwaukee/wi_pr0611.pdf) -Alden Pascual

I hope this satisfies your said guidelines, and don't delete this in Wikipedia. --Alden Pascual

• Strong delete per WP:N and WP:ADS. One minor, regional award is not enough to merit the inclusion of an article on Wikipedia. I also highly doubt that the magazine is the "ONLY VENUE for discussions of issues being faced by Asian Americans in contemporary America", --TBCΦtalk? 04:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• I believe that you just don't want us to express our voice or even to show our existence in WIKIPEDIA. I've seen other entries and articles here that have less significance, but is here anyway. -Alden Pascual
  • Wikipedia is not a place for "expressing [your] voice". See WP:NOT.--TBCΦtalk? 04:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• DO YOUR RESEARCH! We are the only magazine of its kind here in WISCONSIN. -alden pascual
  • The only Asian American magazine in Wisonsin? Unless you can provide any references, from my point of view that's very unlikely. --TBCΦtalk? 04:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • have you even read the other entries I've already posted? We are the common ground for ALL ASIAN AMERICANS IN WISCONSIN. 1. The MAGAZINE is the FIRST AND ONLY ALL-INCLUSIVE MAGAZINE IN WISCONSIN. It is a milestone in itself. --alden pascual
      • As I've said before, claims like that needs to be verified by reliable sources. --TBCΦtalk? 04:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Alden, please calm down and address the issues being raised. All information in articles has to be verifiable. This is one of the three core policies os Wikipedia. You keep asserting this, but unless you need to provide independent sources that show this is the case. Please stop attacking the motives of the editors in thie discussion and instead work to improve the article by addressing the valid points they are raising. Thanks, Gwernol 04:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • I invite you to go to MADISON, WISCONSIN so that your appetite for evidence may be satisfied. Here's another site I want to share on to show another role that the Mayor of Madison gave to the publisher and editor of this magazine. http://www.channel3000.com/timecapsule/9957626/detail.html -- alden pascual
      • Maybe if you used bigger allcaps? Rklawton 05:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • Maybe if I am ganged up more? -alden pascual
      • There are hundreds of cities and mayors and regional newspapers in the United States. How is this one more notable than any other?--TBCΦtalk? 05:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Nobody is "ganging up" on you, Alden. This is a community site and the community is discussing whether your article meets our policies for inclusion. I'm sorry if that seems like "ganging up", but the fact is that we operate by consensus, so discussion of all points is necessary. --Dhartung | Talk 05:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Mr. Hartung: Thanks for that. Believe me when I say that I understand the general intention here. But I can't help but feel that way especially when poor choice of words is used to present those intentions/Wikipedia posting guidelines. --alden pascual

• • • Because we are the only one like this in Wisconsin. -alden pascual
      • I'm the only one like me on the planet, but I don't get an article. Rklawton 05:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Sarcasm and ignorant comments don't convince me that you are actually qualified in what you are doing here. -alden pascual
    • By the way, I appreciate very mature criticism and comments from Zim and Gwernol --alden pascual
• Weak delete if no other third-party coverage can be found. Whatever merit the magazine may have to the Asian-American community in the fair state of Wisconsin (where I live, incidentally), it does not appear to meet Wikipedia guidelines for verifiable and notable material. --Dhartung | Talk 05:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. It was clearly started as an advertisement, and one award doesn't make it notable enough to stay. While I am sympathetic to minority groups, especially in America, I'm not sympathetic enough to let this stay. Also, this is another case of the word 'Asian' being used only to refer to people from East Asian countries, like China and Japan. Asia is a gigantic continent, stretching from Palestine to Japan, with more cultural diversity than any other continent. Please learn this. I could go on about how 'race' hasn't been an accepted concept in Anthropology since the '60s, but you get the picture. Black-Velvet 07:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • • Now, why do you have to make it about an issue of race? The word "ASIAN" is used primarily to name the magazine, in case you didn't think about that. I am tired of all of this. Just delete it so you can satisfy your ignorance and only chance of overpowering someone. -alden pascual
    • by the way, thanks for making my FIRST FEW HOURS of being a newbie here very UNCOMFORTABLE, and not welcome.

Wikipedia improves through not only the hard work of more dedicated members, but also through the often anonymous contributions of many curious newcomers. All of us were newcomers once, even those careful or lucky enough to have avoided common mistakes, and many of us consider ourselves newcomers even after months (or years) of contributing.

New contributors are prospective "members" and are therefore our most valuable resource. We must treat newcomers with kindness and patience — nothing scares potentially valuable contributors away faster than hostility or elitism. While many newcomers hit the ground running, some lack knowledge about the way we do things.

-alden pascual

• Comment: I'm sorry, I don't want to discourage you. Rather than be discouraged by this experience, you should learn from it. I'm sure you have a lot of useful information at your disposal that could benefit Wikipedia greatly. However, this article we're discussing just doesn't meet the notability criteria. Please, don't feel discouraged, and please, sign your comments with ~~~~ Black-Velvet 09:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• • ===...===

Easy for you to say. I was the one who had to deal with all this from different users here for HOURS. I am so disappointed from the hospitality of most people I've interacted with here today. Those so-called Wikipedian Veterans should have known how to treat newcomers like me better.

--alden pascual

• • ===PLEASE===

Please delete it and be done with it already. I now choose to succumb to the powers that be. Trying to do this was a very huge mistake. Again, thanks for making my FIRST FEW HOURS of being a newbie here very UNCOMFORTABLE, and not welcome. -alden pascual

Keeping all articles made by newbies and respecting mewbie edits are two very different things. Regardless, I'm sorry if you've felt that some of my comments have discouraged you, but please remember that an article must satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines in order for it to be kept.--TBCΦtalk? 10:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Not notable. WP:COI creator. Being a magazine isn't notable; being the first (anything)-in-Wisconsin is probably not notable; being the first (ethnic group)-(anything)-in-Wisconsin even less so. Being in a local time capsule (link given as evidence by creator) isn't notable. Simultaneously claiming it's an "Asian" magazine and "ALL-INCLUSIVE MAGAZINE" (whatever that means) at the same time sounds like grasping for excuses - not that it's evidence of non-notability in itself. Author invites people to come to Madison WI to get proof - lack of verifiability outside Madison is strong evidence of non-notability. (P.S. to Alden Pascual: Implying that Wikipedians have some agenda and "don't want us to express our voice or even to show our existence" doesn't help you look reliable.) --Closeapple 11:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.