Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armand Traoré

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. If it's Arsenal-related, you can trust Qwghlm's judgement. howcheng {chat} 20:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armand Traoré

This is a young French football (soccer) player who reportedly signed for Arsenal in July 2005 [1]. However, he is not listed on the club's official website [2], and details on a fan site [3] [4] show that he has not even played any reserve or U18 matches for the club. He is either too young to be notable at this stage, or was not actually signed. In either case, Delete as non-notable. Qwghlm 17:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep professional soccer player. Kappa 17:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Note - there is no evidence he has signed a professional contract. Qwghlm 17:50, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
    • What's this [5] ? Kappa 18:01, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Have you read it correctly? The article says:

The 16-year-old Armand Traoré, winkled out of Monaco, will observe that, at 20, his fellow left-back Clichy believes in his own prospects sufficiently to sign a new contract extending to 2010.

i.e. it is referring to Gael Clichy, a member of the first-team squad, as the one who signed a new contract; this fact was reported by other news outlets at the time (e.g. [6]). Qwghlm 18:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

• He was "winkled out of Monaco" without a professional contract? Kappa 18:55, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

He may be on a youth or academy contract/scholarship rather than a full professional contract. Alternetively, he might well be a pro, I don't know. I would love to find out, but he is not amongst the 40+ players listed in the club's youth/reserve squad [7] so I can't find out: as I said, there is no evidence that he is a pro. As far as I can make out, there has been no mention of him since July/August 2005. There is nothing on the club website which suggests he is on their books. If Arsenal's own website doesn't have any information about this player, then why should Wikipedia? Qwghlm 19:24, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete He's a youth trainee the same age as an American high school athlete. A large majority of such trainees at English football clubs never make it as pros. Players at major clubs like Arsenal should get an article when the sign a professional contract (which doesn't mean their first paying contract, it's just an eccentricity of the terminology in English football).Calsicol
• Between the weaselly words and shameless name-dropping, there is nothing verifiable in this article so delete. He should have an article only when the club acknowledges his existence. Sliggy 20:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete no evidence of meeting WP:BIO Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 21:22, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No evidence that he is a professional footballer.Obina 23:38, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
• delete not (yet?) notable. --Isolani 17:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.