Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annette Daniels

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:06, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Annette Daniels

WP:NOT a memorial. Non-notable; 360 Google results, no info on allmusic.com. Paul 15:47, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

• Comment the page looks much better now that it has been expanded; assuming all this info is valid, as it appears to be, then I'd withdraw the nomination. From my searches, it didn't appear that the page could reach this level of quality, but if it has then no reason to delete. Paul 21:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep It's not a memorial. Wikipedia has many articles on performers who are now deceased, but those articles are not deemed "memorials" to be deleted. A single line stating when how she died seems pretty fair and normal. Per WP:MUSIC "has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in a large or medium-sized country". Now, I think the "spirit" of the guideline covers numerous performances in opera in multiple cities: "Daniels appeared with a variety of opera companies in the United States including Houston, Washington DC, Dallas, San Diego, Cincinnati, and Portland. She also performed numerous oratorios as well as concert works with orchestras." . Finally, 360 unique hits on her exact name is not bad. --rob 16:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Allmusic appears to know her name, but has no info. Delete unless shown to meet WP:MUSIC guidelines. Someone who has lived in several cities and performed in each one, for example, is not the equivalent of having gone on a "national tour". I could be convinced otherwise with more info, but to me current article content does not suggest that she meets the music guidelines. Friday (talk) 17:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment - WP:MUSIC guidelines are decidely skewed towards popular music. I'm no authority on opera, but how many artists outside of The Three Tenors actually could meet WP:MUSIC if you discount longer term stints they may do with a local opera company? It always seemed to me that most opera performers are like orchestral conductors: they work in a particular city for a while before moving on and taking an engagement elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong about this... like I said I'm no authority on opera... but it would seem that perhaps a slightly different set of criteria should apply to opera performers.

There is a decent amount of information about Annette Daniels available, but I don't know nearly enough about the operatic world to have an educated opinion on this. NO vote.--Isotope23 18:49, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to vote Keep and thanks to Wahoofive for posting some references.--Isotope23 14:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: You make a good point. I'd probably be willing to suggest a keep, even if she doesn't meet the guidelines, if she can be shown to be an important opera singer somehow. Just being "an" opera singer isn't enough for me, tho. Friday (talk) 18:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep: She seems to meet point 2 of WP:MUSIC as much as it could be applied to opera, consistently winning major roles with well-known companies, and her Carmen sounds like it approximated the opera equivalent of meeting point 6 for a local scene. If she'd had a full career I think notability would be clear by the end of it, so she gets the benefit of my doubt. Unlike sopranos and tenors, mezzos will rarely gain much fame outside of the opera world, so allmusic being quiet is unsurprising to me. The first viola of a major symphony is a notable violist, even though they're nowhere near as notable as those symphony's concertmasters; similarly, consistently getting lead mezzo roles makes an opera singer generally notable even if they're not as notable as the most notable opera singers are. — mendel ☎ 20:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• As a rule of thumb, I'd suggest if somebody flies her out to sing, she's notable. She seems to have performed in Houston 1990-92 [1], Houston 1995 [2], San Diego 1995 [3], Augusta, GA 1996 [4] Ohio 1997 [5] Omaha 1998 [6], Raleigh 1998-99 [7][8], LA 2000 [9], Knoxville 2000 [10] (requires login), Raleigh 2001 [11]. Multiple locations, undated: [12] Weak keep, seems to have been in demand nationally in last couple of years. —Wahoofive (talk) 21:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Seems reasonable to me. I took back my suggestion to delete, and I guess I'll say weak keep too. Friday (talk) 21:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per WP:music. She has done enough as an opera singer for mine. Perhaps we should have WP:classical. Capitalistroadster 23:12, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. As casual opera fan devoted to my own local opera "scene" I admit that I don't recall having heard of this lady. But looking at the list of roles that she has sung and the places she has sung them, she is notable enough for inclusion. Hereis a nice article from the Houston paper about a production of The Barber of Seville she appeared in, illustrated with a photo of her. Crypticfirefly 03:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC) I should also add, that while she hasn't been "featured prominently" her performances have been reviewed on at least five ocassions in Opera News (a widely-read opera publication). Crypticfirefly 03:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep absolutely. Alf ^melmac 09:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Stop using Google and Allmusic as proof of notability, they're not even according to many exclusionists. ··gracefool |☺ 07:35, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.