Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anne Zeller

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Avi 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anne Zeller

I'm continuously confused by the policy regarding information on the pages I have created, and had deleted. I have properly cited the information to us here at Documentary Educational Resources, as we are the copyright owners of everything I have submitted thus far. I'm confused as to how the content I post can be classified as a copyright violation, if it is US who own the rights. Additionally, the intentions I have when posting this material is simply to make available information on some of the most innovative, successful documentary filmmakers and their films. That's it. This has been an issue for a few months now, and I'm asking now for you to give me a concrete example of what needs to be corrected, and in what manner. I appreciate your help, and hope you can give the answers I am looking for. Docued

Anne Zeller (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Part of a walled garden of promotional articles by Docued (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log), an employee of D.E.R., the film company producing her videos. In this instance, the subject fails WP:BIO for lack of substantial third-party coverage. Sandstein 18:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• Changed article to reflect subject's physical anthropology research —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.103.34.193 (talk • contribs).

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep I've reviewed the references and perused the g-hits. She is recognized and discussed quite a bit including sites from Berkeley, Harvard and many other educational institutions, and in general websites. I don't have a problem with the credibility of the bios, which are independent from her control and from respectable institutions. --Kevin Murray 00:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, one biography is from the website of the institute she heads, the other is written by the film company D.E.R, of which the article's author is an employee (note how the image from that bio is licenced as PD-own here). These are hardly independent sources, and they are also not the sort of coverage we need under WP:BIO. Sandstein 06:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Anne Zeller is a respected professional in the relatively small field of primatology. She is regularly an invited chair or co-chair of communication sessions at international primatology or physical anthropology conferences. In the world of primatology this is a measure of significant regard by her peers. She pioneered the scientific use of film to study primate facial gestures and non-verbal communication. Her recent work on tool use in monkeys complements her communication publications to form a significant body of research on primate cognition. Consequently, she appears to qualify for inclusion as a “creative professional” under the Wikipedia Notability guidelines. Her films, which are shown in many undergraduate classes, are a respected component of her work, but should not be seen as the sum of her accomplishments. (A.pigra 00:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)) — A.pigra (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

That's an interesting little link after my signature. While I readily acknowledge that I am a newbie, after following the information link I think I should be insulted. I wasn’t aware being a new member was something people discriminated against in this community. Most people, from my understanding, start editing within their area of expertise. Primatology is my area of expertise. I started my account to edit this article and other primatology entries. Sandstein would you like to comment why you felt the need to add that tag? I thought I raised some valid points.I'm not sure if this is an appropriate place to discuss this issue. Please re-direct me if there is another standard location (A.pigra 18:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC))

No insult intended, but admins may determine to discount AfD contributions by very new user accounts. Unfortunately it's not unheard of for people to create (several) accounts just to have them all participate in AfDs. BTW, why is this AfD still open? I'll see if an admin can attend to it. Sandstein 19:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete—two references, but neither one is reliable, therefore the article fails WP:A and cannot be demonstrated to satisfy WP:NPOV. The subject seems notable, but that’s not a sufficient criterion for an article. —xyzzy_n 20:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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