Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Stanley (second nomination)

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 03:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Stanley

Not notable. Pastor at a church, and books of unknown/questionable publishing. This was nominated before in Jan. 2005[1], but was never closed. Someone seriously tamperred with the AfD process in and it was never closed or debated, view Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Stanley for details. The thechurchreport.com lists him as influential, but searching "thechurchreport.com" at yahoo I get 40 hits. He fails WP:BIO. Arbusto 01:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Despite the odd past AfD, the publishing company for his books has been acquired by Random House, and he has appeared/spoken at high profile churches such as Willow Creek Community Church. Crystallina 02:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - About 70,000 google hits for pastor "andy stanley", about 45 (not sure I counted exactly) editions on Amazon.com including translations of English titles into Spanish. The existence of translations and a standard publishing house would appear to be some evidence his books have substantial reach. --Shirahadasha 04:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep His influence is tied squarely to the coat tails from his pappy, which in the Evangelical world the name "Stanley" has big sway. 205.157.110.11 07:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Note: nominator Arbustoo improperly deleted the vote by 205.157.110.11 (talk • contribs) with the following summary "rv this IP that has hit every single one of my AfDs and ONLY my AfDs", however, user 205.157.110.11 has participated in a number of AfDs not nominated by Arbustoo, so that accusation is baseless and without merit. In any case, the proper thing to do would not be to delete the users vote and comment, but rather make a comment under his vote suggesting that he is only voting to spite Arbustoo, if that is what Arbustoo seems to be claiming by his deletion. Vivaldi (talk) 07:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete generic evangelical minister, or merge to his father, who appears to be the primary source of his supposed influence. Significance is apparently established primarily by reference to redlinked organisations. This should have been deleted at the first AfD, where only brand new users voted keep, but it was never closed. Guy 08:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep, with publisher that is acquired by major house and his books are subject to translation. That doesn't happen to non-notable authors. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, books are sold in significant numbers on Amazon used&new and receive quite a number of good reviews by readers [2]. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 09:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per the above comments. RFerreira 18:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Michael 19:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as pssing WP:BIO. Books with independent reviews, and respectably rank in the low thousandsths per Amazon. Ohconfucius 01:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per if this were anyone else it wouldn't have been nominated.-Kmaguir1 08:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.