Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andros Karperos Middle School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was to redirect. I found the tail end of this discussion a bit disturbing. This is a discussion, and not a vote: we're not tallying numbers here. And again, if anyone has objection to placing redirects in lieu of these infobox+stub articles, please say so on my talk page. RFerreira 01:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andros Karperos Middle School

Middle school that isn't notable for any reason other than that it's a middle school. 123 Google hits. Rory096 04:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete No assertion of notability.--Húsönd 04:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Let's find some middle ground here... Fah fah fah fah.. ;) Spawn Man 06:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable school. Opabinia regalis 06:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Yuba City, California or (even better) an article about the school district if one exists, per WP:LOCAL. Plainly non-notable, but maybe if we turn more of these crufty stubs into redirects, it will help direct some of the school-stub-spammers to articles that actually need and deserve some of their energy and time. Xtifr _tälk 10:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Please do not assume bad faith. Unless you have specific reason to believe that the creation of these stubs was done for malicious purposes, it is absurd to refer to adding factual, verifiable, NPOV content as "spamming" regardless of whether or not it is something that belongs in the encyclopedia. Kurt Weber 15:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm not assuming bad faith. I suggest that you learn what the term "spamming" means before you criticise people for using it correctly. (Hint, it has nothing to do with "malicious behaviour.) Xtifr _tälk 09:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep If you look at Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive, you will notice that over the past two years a massive community consensus has emerged favoring keeping articles on bona fide schools for which there is verifiable information available. Also, WP:DP explicitly states that an article being a stub is not, in and of itself, reason for deletion. Finally, at Wikipedia:Schools there is a proposed policy in development--I would suggest we hold off on this (and any other school articles anyone may wish to nominate) until that policy is finalized and adopted, unless there is a policy specifically requiring the deletion of the given school--otherwise, we risk removing content that may turn out to be explicitly acceptable according to a broader community consensus. Kurt Weber 15:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Such massive consensus, I wonder how it has gone unnoticed all this time.--Húsönd 16:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
    • It is massive, and readily evident to anyone familiar with the history of this issue on Wikipedia. Kurt Weber 18:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
      • It certainly is not massive; don't be disingenuous. Moreover you are conflating keep with no consensus, which is the principal outcome of many of those debates. It was massively agreed that the bitter disputes and name calling was getting out of hand in school AfDs (or VfDs as they were). But as you know, the WP:SCHOOL compromise is not much liked by anyone - neither those who feel schools are notable sui generis, nor those (like myself) who feel they are simply not notable in and of themselves. Delete. Eusebeus 19:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Also note that in the last two months deletions of schools have become more common. It is difficult to see any such consensus. JoshuaZ 05:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Yuba City, California per WP:LOCAL. No indication that the information in the article violates our content policies, but it makes better sense in the city article instead of its own. If the article is expanded sufficiently, keeping as-is may be okay too. JYolkowski // talk 19:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I always love it when people say we should keep a school because there is a consensus to keep them (which is both clearly incorrect and circular reasoning), and because being a stub is no reason to delete (which is a strawman, since none of the supporters of deletion did so because it is a stub, but because the school is non notable). If this was an article about a band instead of a school, it would be speedyable... No assertion of notability whatsoever, just like all other articles on schools in Yuba (like Lincoln Elementary School (Yuba City)). Fram 22:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No notability asserted. Basically a directory entry. -- Kicking222 00:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Consensus does not exist, as the previous posters point out; rather, many afd's on schools result in 'no consensus' which is an automatic keep. Many of us do not understand why schools are supposedly inherently notable while hospitals, for instance, are not. Furthermore, while I'll admit precedent seems to indicate that high schools should typically be kept (no matter how much I disagree), there does not seem to be a similar precedent for middle schools or elementary schools; indeed, if my memory serves me, most middle and elementary schools do get deleted. --The Way 06:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Little content, no sources, not much beyond a directory, no claims of noteworthiness. Fails WP:SCHOOLS3 and even the earlier, extremely lenient SCHOOL proposal. Also do not object to adding a sentence about it to the Yuba City article and redirecting, though I see little value in doing so given the paucity of content here. Shimeru 11:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No content, unsourced, insignificant and entirely non-notable school. Principal Schoolswatter 17:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to the article about the city.Edison 19:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• merge and redirect to yuba city per our local interest standards Yuckfoo 21:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per having almost no content, nor any indication of being verifiable. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 05:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to you know where...  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 09:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Per Kurt Weber. Kukini 15:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge per WP:SCHOOLS3. Vegaswikian 01:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Yuba City since I don't see anything really worth merging and there's no notability of this whatsoever. If someone starts an article on the school district a redirect there might make more senseJoshuaZ 05:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. WMMartin 18:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kurt Webr, school is bona fide and people love school articles. --ForbiddenWord 20:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Oh hi again FW. Welcome back. You will note by the way the responses above to Kurt's claim of consensus. Finally, the claim that "people love school articles" is both unfounded and irrelevant. It isn't clear what poeple you mean other than the general school inclusionists. Wow, I'm shocked, shocked that people who like to keep schools love the articles. If you mean some other group it might be nice to specify. JoshuaZ 20:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Even a quick search on google will show that there is lots of verifiable information on this school. As per the points you made on my talk page, school pages are not the most important ones, they are significant and add to Wikipedia's value and help attract new editors. I think that these points are underappreciated by people who are quick to delete. --ForbiddenWord 20:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I know what the google search showed. I did a google search before making my above comment. Very little of it was both verifiable and not just the number of students or similar stats. None of the sources were in any way non-trivial. JoshuaZ 21:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no assertion of notability. Wikipedia is not a directory. —ptk✰fgs 22:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Yuba City, California or school district article per WP:SCHOOLS. Silensor 06:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and close this discussion -- no consensus will be reached apparently. Just H 17:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

No consensus? 13 deletes, 4 keeps of which at least three are based on flawed reasons (Kurt Weber) and one on no given reasons at all (yours), and a number of merge/redirects? It's up to rhe closing admin, but I can see a quite clear consensus here for deletion... Fram 20:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I was also counting the merges/redirects. We shall have to agree to disagree on the consensus, and I find your opinion of Kurt's opinions (calling them "flawed") to be incivil, but everybody's entitled to their own opinion and you can disagree with me if you'd like. Just H 01:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

And note that that isn't a reason for keeping. If you want your keep to be taken seriously, I suugest you give a reason for it. JoshuaZ 20:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Taken seriously by who? I stated my reason above, that's good enough. This discussion is like the afd as a whole: the longer it lasts, the nastier it is appearing to get. Thus why my vote: when in doubt, return to the beginning and move on. Just H 01:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't make any comment about the content of the article which is the relevant matter. As to taken seriously by whom- the relevant person would be the closing admin. JoshuaZ 01:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.