Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andover Elementary School

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The result of the debate was KEEP. Splash 00:17, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Andover Elementary School

I'm probably walking into a hornet's nest by doing this, but this is just a small non-famous elementary school with 62 students. High schools, maybe I can live with, but not this. AlbertR 23:43, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Real place. --malathion ^talk 23:51, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into Andover, Maine, unless some independent indicia of notability is present (i.e. historical significance, unusual age, location of a famous event, featured in a movie, etc.). -- BD2412 ^talk 23:54, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable. And I really must make a comment about the "real place" or "real thing" comments we see so often. Just because something exists in reality doesn't make it noteworthy. My mother-in-law's house is real but that doesn't mean it deserves an article. -Soltak 00:01, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Soltak.
  • Change to Keep. Apparently there is a category full of non-notable schools: [1]. If this should be deleted then we'll be spending a lot of time deleting those as well. The precedent has already been set, it seems. --Bayyoc 00:20, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

It would be a colossal pain to tag and delete all elementary schools, but that's something I think should be done (I won't be the doing it, mind you.) My vote stands. -Soltak 00:24, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Verifiable school; good stub. Pburka 00:41, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, important to coverage of education in Andover, Maine, and establishes distinct indentity of the school. Kappa 00:58, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Tentative keep since I was one of the first to try and rescue this. I, too, was leaning toward a delete and it probably qualified as a speedy when it was first created. Admittedly, the school doesn't seem particularly notable and there was virtually no online info to back this up. If notability hasn't been fully established, it's because I can't find anything notable to say.  :^) However, this has been really polished by users other than me and more than one user here is active in formatting and expanding school stubs. - Lucky 6.9 02:57, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• delete. This is the first school I've voted to delete, but as a small elementary school without other distinctions, its hard to call it notable Salsb 05:24, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
• keep please this should not be erased Yuckfoo 16:14, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Strong delete Unnotable primary school. Dunc|☺ 16:50, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, just because a bunch of non-notable schools are being kept doesn't mean this one should be.Gateman1997 17:48, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep More significant than many pop culture articles. Osomec 19:07, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. Should I list every school in my neighbourhood? That would get very silly very quickly. --BradBeattie 19:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Please feel free to write articles about all the schools in your neighborhood. Why do you think that would be silly? --Tony Sidaway^Talk 21:14, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
  • What happened to the guideline that articles should be noteworthy and encyclopedic? Did I miss the memo where we decided you could shove any meaningless garbage in Wikipedia and get praised for it? -Soltak 21:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Schools are generally regarded as eminently noteworthy. I don't know about your country, but my country has lists of the institutions and sends inspectors round. We spend billions of pounds maintaining them, our kids spend most of their waking lives in them, and to put it briefly schools are a huge part of the society in my country--far more so than, say, the armed forces, and second only to the public health service. As to encyclopedic, that usually comes down to neutrality and verifiability. Because of the aforementioned inspections and the public appetite for information on schools, there is plenty of verifiable information about them. I shouldn't worry that anyone would mistake a school article for "meaningless garbage" and delete it. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 21:51, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep verifiable and NPOV schools. DoubleBlue (Talk) 21:56, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. If this were a person rather than a school it would have been speedy-deleted on the criterion that it is "An article about a real person that does not assert that person's importance or significance." Despite the repeated assertions of school inclusionists, schools are not generally regarded as eminently noteworthy. This is an area within which there is no consensus within Wikipedia. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:17, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Around 150 failed VfDs worth of consensus, last time I looked. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 23:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Time to enact an WP:ASS-kicking pseudo-policy for these. —RaD Man (talk) 02:14, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Notable schools are one things, every school in the world is another. Why don't we include every church too, they "effect the lives" of as many people as schools do. And while we're at it, every hospital. And police stations, and fire brigades, and sewage treatment plants. After all, where would be without these real and verifiable institutions? And it's not a consensus, it's a cabal. - brenneman^(t)(c) 02:38, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
  • There are hundreds of articles about hospitals on Wikipedia. See Category:Hospitals. Police stations, fire brigades and sewage treatment plants don't fall into the same criteria. They generally have little impact on the larger community, unlike schools and hospitals. Pburka 03:42, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
  1. That was meant as rhetoric... I did say every hospital, thinking that the absurdity of that was obvious.
  2. That list is difficult to get an accurate number on (it has sub-lists) but it does not appear to contain "hundreds" of hospitals.
  3. As to notable hospitals, it is not out of order that would be ten in California, two in Texas, or three in France. However, As to notable schools, I doubt that there are 400 in The United States.
  4. Off topic: Disrespect for police, fire, and sewage is rare in those who've ever had to go without them.
     brenneman^(t)(c) 05:11, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia schools arguments.-Poli (talk • contribs) 05:32, 2005 August 4 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia schools arguments and the inherent notability of schools. Unfocused 19:14, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as unfocused. Schools should never be here. --Celestianpower ^talk 19:18, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
• We keep railway stations. We keep suburbs. We keep schools.--Gene_poole 06:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

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