Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/And It's Arsenal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] And It's Arsenal

And It's Arsenal (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Contested prod. No assertion of notability for this song, despite one being requested from the page author. Football chants for a specific team are generally not notable, unlike well known songs/chants like Who Ate All the Pies? One Night In Hackney 12:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related page for similar reasons. This one is actually a well known chant but isn't team specific, so while it may be worth mentioning in a different article there is no need for a team specific article.

We all follow the Arsenal (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by One Night In Hackney (talk • contribs) 21:08, February 4, 2007.

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 12:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I'd be surprised if any proof could be found for this song originating with Arsenal fans, and even considering it from the point of view of a song sung at many grounds it simply isn't well known/notable. What is there to say about it other than the "lyrics"? It's hardly You'll Never Walk Alone..... ChrisTheDude 12:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete both per nom. MER-C 12:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Madmedea 12:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete both. Thanks One Night In Hackney --Madmedea 21:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - I've head variations on this sung to both Fulham F.C. and Truro City F.C. in the last three weeks. No indication that it originated with Arsenal, or any general notability. - fchd 13:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Weak delete - Liverpool fans sing this as well from what I recall. Alternatively, merge into List of football chants or something similar with many of the other articles in Category:Football songs and chants which are neither club-specific nor iconic like YNWA. Qwghlm 14:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I've also heard it sung at Gillingham and Aston Villa....basically every team whose name can be squashed, however unconvincingly, into the appropriate portion of the first line sings it. I defy anyone to be able to prove it originated with Arsenal......... ChrisTheDude 14:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete unless some evidence is added to support the assertion that this song originated with Arsenal Jules1975 16:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete So many clubs use this, its impossible to tell where it originated. However, if proof could be found for Arsenal starting it, then it would be a valid article. But I believe it would be very difficult to find reliable proof. Asics talk 23:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I've also bundled We all follow the Arsenal into this Afd as the prod was contested, all contributors to this process will be informed. One Night In Hackney 20:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

• Bad idea. You should have made it a separate AfD - it is never good idea to alter the terms of reference of an AfD after a significant number of comments have been added (especially as over 48 hours have elapsed between the original nomination and the addition); despite the similarity of topics all of the comments before the addition still only apply to only the original article. All articles nominated for AfD should be given due process, and not just tacked onto the end of other AfDs. Advice to closing admin - any binding decision should be made with respect to the original article nominated and the second article should be given a separate, new AfD. Qwghlm 00:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

If it counts for anything I'd also !vote to delete the second article. Again there's no proof that Arsenal started that chant, it's used by many many clubs, and there isn't really anything much ti say about it anyway.. ChrisTheDude 07:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment I'm well aware all comments before the addition only apply to the original article, which is why I specificallly messaged all users involved to date as stated above. I would suggest the closing admin weighs up all subsequent !votes and decides whether a new Afd would produce a different result. There is ample precedent for Afds being closed early per WP:SNOW, and in my opinion the second article has no chance of surviving Afd, whether it be one lasting for three days, five days or ten days. One Night In Hackney 15:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete football chants are hardly notable, with some exception (e.g. You'll Never Walk Alone and a very few others). --Angelo 01:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete --the article will not be notable by itself, as it is a football chant and has no historical origins. --[|.K.Z|][|.Z.K|] 08:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Again the We all follow the Arsenal is a generic chant, albeit this version has been slightly modified by the "Leicester" reference. Manchester United fans sing this quite a lot and there's no evidence in the article that it originated with Arsenal. Also it's not really sufficiently notable to warrant an article - it might deserve one line in a list of chants article. Otherwise where do you stop, do you have articles for "the referee's a wanker" or "Stand up if you hate (insert hated team name here)"? Jules1975 10:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Even the "modification" you refer to isn't specific to Arsenal - at Gillingham we sing "Over land and sea and Swindon"..... ChrisTheDude 11:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, zero evidence of notability exists for this particular chant. RFerreira 08:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.