Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Rare Breed Association

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The result was speedy keep due to withdrawn nomination. --Coredesat 20:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] American Rare Breed Association

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Fails WP:CORP. The only claim to notability appears to be that it recognizes new "breeds" of dog which the American Kennel Club does not. A search for the availability of sourcing has turned up nothing of note, being either casual references or not meeting verifiability guidelines. The article was created nearly six months ago and appears to have been abandoned by it's creator. Cheers, Lankybugger 21:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep. While the article desperately needs to be re-written and expanded, this organization is the largest rare breed association in the United States and very well known, though perhaps not outside of the dog breeding and showing world. They register, show and promote breeds which have been recognized by the FCI but have not yet been recognized by the AKC. Dogs such as the Coton De Tulear, Cane Corso, Japanese Spitz and Bergamasco are registered by this organization. They are discussed in the books in the Kennel Club Dog Breed series and the Essential series by Howell Book House. Many, many other books (I will be happy to provide a list if necessary) contain a phrase similar to "other kennel clubs, including the United Kennel Club and the American Rare Breed Association", which infers the type of notability the organization has in the dog world. They're even discussed in Breeding Dogs for Dummies by Richard G. Beauchamp (2002) and also appear in the Dogs and Puppies for Dummies books; unless a book about breeding or showing dogs is written specifically about or for the AKC, they are generally discussed at some point. They are certainly discussed more frequently in media targets to dog fanciers than mainstream media, but they greatly exceed the non-trivial published works requirement. Shell ^babelfish 22:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment With all that said, if you'll dig up a couple items which meet WP:RS and prove this meets WP:CORP, I'll happily withdraw my nomination and we can get an admin to speedy keep this thing. As I said, I tried to find some information before posting the AfD as I feel it's patently irresponsible to nom an article without at least attempting to find sources, but my own searching proved futile. Cheers, Lankybugger 23:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Full citations for ...for Dummies and other mentioned references

Richard G. Beauchamp.Breeding Dogs for Dummies.For Dummies.2002

Gina Spadafori;Marty Becker.Dogs For Dummies, 2nd Edition.For Dummies.2000

Sarah Hodgson.Puppies For Dummies, 2nd Edition.For Dummies.2006

Anne Arch.Old English Sheepdog (Kennel Club Dog Breed Series).Kennel Club Books.2004

Juliette Cunliffe.Pharoah Hound (Kennel Club Dog Breed Series).Kennel Club Books.2004

Susan McCullough.Your New Dog: An Expert Answers Your Every Question.Capital Books.2003

Mordecai Siegal et al.The Good Life: Your Dog's First Year.Simon & Schuster.2002 (this gentleman is president emeritus of the Dog Writers Association of America)

Carlo Devito,Amy Ammen.Everything Dog Book.Adams Media Corporation.1999

Richard G. Beauchamp.The Simple Guide to Showing Your Dog.TFH Publications.2003

Cheryl S. Smith.The Absolute Beginner's Guide to Showing Your Dog.Random House.2001 table of contents

• Other examples

On DogChannel.com (Dog Fancy magazine's online presence) breed info pages list AKC, UKC, CKC or ARBA groups for each dog. Examples: Caucasian Ovtcharka, Olde English Bulldogge, Tibetan Mastiff

Dog Fancy magazine lists ARBA as one of the acceptable registries for dog owners wishing to submit photographs[1]

Part of About.com not copied from us, ARBA standards are given (and noted) for certain breeds [2]

Various Rare breed parent Kennel Clubs mention ARBA (usually trivial) [3], [4], [5]

Canada's Guide to Dogs discusses ARBA under the basics of registries [6]

• That's a quick go round of my collection and a few other things I knew of. Since both rabbit breeding and a medical organization use the same initials its a bit hairy searching online; hope that helps! Shell ^babelfish 02:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

That's certainly enough for me. If an admin would like to Speedy Keep this, I'm withdrawing my nomination. Cheers, Lankybugger 03:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Per Shell. Notable organisation, poorly written page. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 23:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment/tentative keep (Strong Keep if evidence provided) - a brief online search tends to suggest it's bona fide, notable and has a reputation in its niche. (eg amongst rare breed webrings at least, and a decent amount of referencing online.) However what is missing for me is a few solid references to it, by a known reputable dog body, to confirm that in the niche world of rare breeds, this is considered a "known name" and is notable. Get me a few of those and this moves from a tentative to a strong keep. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 23:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - found the same webring listed in the top 10 of google references. The webring could itself be suspect (many are), but it does indicate at least a degree of notability. I think it might help if someone could check if they were ever cited as a source for a breed that is considered notable, but I don't have the time (or lately, with the cold, the brainpower) to do that myself right now. Badbilltucker 00:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

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