Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Championship Car Racing

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, no consensus on the move - take it to the article's talk page. --james^(talk) 10:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American Championship Car Racing

From what I can tell, this article is about whichever open-wheel racing series was most popular at the time in the US (note that there has never been anything called "American Championship Car Racing"). Organizing this information like this is borderline WP:OR. It could be split or merged into about a half-dozen different articles, but it would be better to just delete it so people can concentrate on contributing to the articles on the individual series. Recury 16:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Rename to something like History of Open Wheel Racing in the U.S., unless something like that already exists. The strife between the series is very notable, and it would be nice to have the transistions between series in one place. Plus, the article is a very good start and could be improved. Logicaldisaster 23:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - but rename and expand per Logicaldisaster. We do need a Wikipedia article about the very convoluted and contentious internecine warfare that has dogged big-time open-wheel racing in America since the 1970s. FCYTravis 02:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep --Yunipo 13:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Typically, we give a reason why or at least say "per" whoever we agree with. Recury 13:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - This article is the page for generic information about Championship Car racing and the place to link to when not wanting to link to one specific series. Without this, text in articles would be more unwieldy as multiple links and over-explanation would need to be added to them. Closer reading of the article will show that is not about the "racing series (that) was most popular at the time", but rather the evolution as AAA was the sanctioning body from 1909-1955, followed by USAC 1956-1978, battle/evolution to CART in 1979-1980 and then the famous IRL split in 1996. A driver who raced across these transitions would need additional article text. You should note that >100 drivers link to this page through a redirect of Championship Car. If a rename is necessary, I suggest that the redirect be reversed, but I feel that this should not be done here, but rather via a poll on the article talk page. BTW, "Open Wheel" is not appropriate, as that topic is too generic, including F1, sprint car and midget car as well. --Brian G 03:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • The only source I can find that calls it "Championship Car" is rumbledrome.com, which in fact calls it "American Championship Car Racing" exactly (same author?). Most of the other results are referring to Champ Car. Are there other, more reliable sources for this term that I am missing? Recury 04:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep and possible Rename. The article spans the gap between the different sanctioning bodies that sanctioned a "breed" of cars called Champ cars or Indy cars. The article name isn't very good. I go with Brian G's suggestion of "Championship Car racing", or with the rename to the redirected "Championship Car". --Royalbroil 04:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep For over 70 years the series was/were referred to as "Championship Car" and I wouldn't be opposed to a rename to that. Anyone familiar with the subject would agree that no article on an individual series could adequately describe the history of this series and race lineage. Chris Economaki still refers to open wheel racing as "Championship Car". -Drdisque 06:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. There needs to be a central article that people who aren't aware of the convoluted history of the top level of American single seater racing can go to - articles on CART, IRL and the rest should be daughter articles from here. I also support the proposal that there should be consideration of a rename, but I don't have sufficient background in US racing to help much in deciding what it should be. Ideally this article should be called whatever it is that Joe or Joanne Public is most likely to type in when searching for 'the top single seater series in the US'. I've got a nasty feeling that would be 'Indycar' however, which takes us right back into the IRL/CART split. Maybe each daughter article could have a brief explanation at the top: "This article covers the history of the Indy Racing League (or whatever). The overall history of top level single seater racing in the US is given at (Insert name here)". 4u1e 30 July

So why don't you think it should go to IndyCar? That actually seems like a pretty good idea to me. Recury 12:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Both Champ Car and IndyCar are now more specifically used to refer to the Champ Car World Series (formerly CART) and Indy Racing League respectively. In fact, the IndyCar is now owned by the IRL. I believe that Championship Car is the proper term to use for a generic reference. --Brian G 13:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

And you have sources for this? It's not exactly an obscure subject, there should be plenty. Recury 14:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment - This is spinning out of control. This is an AfD, not a Requested Move. Per the deletion policy, this result of this discussion can not be to rename or move this article. If you wish to do so, please retract your nomination and get an admin to Speedy Keep this and then take up the article name in the proper forum. --Brian G 15:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, please. Now that you have to back up your claims, it's "out of control," eh? How funny. Recury 17:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, while Indy Car has a more specific use now, it used to refer to the types of cars in this article. Recury 14:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and rename per Logicaldisaster. -- DiegoTehMexican 12:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep (as Brian G claims only keep/delete votes county) and rename per Logicaldisaster. -slowpokeiv 17:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.