Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfonso Faustino

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete by popular demand and author's request. - Yomangani^talk 18:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alfonso Faustino

I created this page after it was submitted by user:Melissakavanaugh on WP:AFC. I'm don't think it should be deleted, but someone was trying to speedy delete it It's speedy deletion is disputed.

This article is verified by two independent sources. Alfonso Faustino has worked with several major companies and had relationships with the founder of Oracle Corporation. Sbluen 05:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you Steven. I am more than willing to take any advice to edit my work on Alfonso Faustino so that it complies to the Wikipedia guidelines. I interviewed Alfonso in 2004 and have been tracking his work to date. I corroborated my sources and found the information I wrote to be accurate. The reason I felt that Alfonso should be included in Wikipedia is because of his ongoing accomplishments as an actor, his interest in animals, and his use of keeping a positive attitude to get to our dreams -- in my interview with him back in 2004, I found him to be extremely inspirational and having the ability to motivate people to be their best.Melissakavanaugh 06:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

*Keep kind of confused on why its here right now. hmm. Missvain 06:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I retract my keep, ha ha.

It's here because its speedy deletion is disputed. --Sbluen 06:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I've changed the reason to reduce confusion. --Sbluen 06:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support Steven and Missvain. Take care.Melissakavanaugh 06:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• I see no independent sources (IMDB doesn't count, they list everyone that's ever set foot on a soundstage, and the Oracle bit is a press release for the project and it's not even about him; it's about Oracle looking good for the investors). Delete as a NN actor trying to hit the big time. --humblefool® 06:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete. Industrial-strength vanity. Lots of weasel-worded name-dropping (he worked at Oracle, founded by LARRY ELLISON!, "In time, Alfonso met some of the top names in the film industry..."), but once you strip those out and the gushing prose, there's no there, there.
• The reason I felt that Alfonso should be included in Wikipedia is because of his ongoing accomplishments as an actor What accomplishments would those be? The IMDB listing shows two films, both shorts -- and he's not even the major part in one of them. --Calton | Talk 06:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually in my experience in the film industry IMDB is probably the most reputable internet movie database around because no one can be added without having credits to a film or television project -- it's really tough to get credits for a film project, but to those film people, it's really important, and they fight to get credits on the projects that they work on. I read the Oracle source that the user listed, and it states that Alfonso was a major player in the Tanzania Project of which the user wrote about. True he is not a big-named actor, but I like the way the user wrote about things that he's done outside of acting. I found it refreshing to read about touchable real person doing some cool things. If he was a big-named actor, then his accomplishments would be all over the place. I vote to keep him in because the information is truthful and he is a registered actor regardless of his star power.Sara32870Esq 06:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)User's very first edit

Your first sentence, being false in practically every way, fails to impress. Start with IMDB being a user-edited/added database, include the business side which accepts fees for enhanced listings and photos, and mention Hollywood's trend for crediting practically everyone below-the-line including the freaking caterers, and your whole assertion falls apart. --Calton | Talk 07:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for your input. Carlton and Humblefool: If I rewrote my article in a manner that you feel it's not name-dropping or gushing prose, then would you reconsider your "Speedy Delete"?Melissakavanaugh 06:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

With the same information? Since stripping off the vanity and fame-by-association would leave you with an essentially blank article, absolutely not. --Calton | Talk 07:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Humblefool and Carlton: I removed the gushing prose the name dropping...please tell me your thoughts...by the way Carlton, if you go back to IMDB, you will see that Alfonso had the leading man part in A Dress For A Wedding. Thanks again to all who provided input -- I definitely don't want to violate the rules in this community.Melissakavanaugh 06:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

That's probably not enough to make it pass WP:BIO if it doesn't already. --Sbluen 06:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Not even close. Not even within shouting distance of not even close. Why yes, he's the leading man in a short. Not a major feature film, not a minor feature film, not a direct-to-video feature film, not a TV series, not a TV episode, not even an award-winning short -- JUST A SHORT. This is supposed to impress me?

That's probably not enough to make it pass WP:BIO if it doesn't already Guy, this thing couldn't pass WP:BIO if you strapped a JATO rocket to it. --Calton | Talk 07:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Steven, I appreciate the WP:BIO link; I agree with you, so I'm fine with the Speedy Delete. I will select another person to add to this environment. As a budding journalist, I met Alfonso on the set of a movie, and I really enjoyed getting to know him, so I thought it would be a refreshing subject, but my article and subject just doesn't have the punch. ;-) Take care, Steven.Melissakavanaugh 07:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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• Comment Wikipedia is not a social networking site. You may talk about that outside of wikipedia.

Right now, Melissakavanaugh, you can just end this discussion and say "*'''Speedy delete''' as author." and then add {{db-bio}} to the artice if you agree that it should be deleted. --Sbluen 07:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete; does not meet WP:BIO for acting, in my estimation, and "interest in animals, and his use of keeping a positive attitude to get to our dreams" is, to be frank, not a reason for an encyclopedia article. --MCB 07:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Sounds like a nice guy, "loves animals," "positive attitude," but the well written article does not present in my opinion enough multiple independent sources to demonstrate his notability. A movie and a short movie, and he worked for a big company. Not quite enough. Re-create the article when he has more movie credits or some writeups in mainstream publications. Edison 16:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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