Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alessio Ferramosca

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Juventus F.C.. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-12-27 05:44Z

[edit] Alessio Ferramosca

Alessio Ferramosca (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Riccardo Neri (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Not notable...do we list "ballboys" from baseball or tennis? A JUNIOR player is MINOR league. Dying is not notable. → R Young {^yakł_talk} 21:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - it's had quite a lot of press coverage recently, which means the article passes WP:BIO and it's quite a notable person. Jayden54 22:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Juventus FC article and give them an own episode in the history of the club. The players were not notible, their death was as it was in the media all over the world and all matches in Italy held one minute of silence before the start due to the death of these guys. SportsAddicted | discuss 00:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - A Youth Team player for a side like Juventus isn't any different to a college player in the States dying. The article needs expanding though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yorkie19 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 13:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 14:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - WP:NOT a memorial and this person had not achieved anything notable in life. In a year's time no-one outside their family and friends will remember who they are. Qwghlm 14:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. If there were a source for "suspicious circumstances", maybe keep, but there isn't. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 15:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for now, with no prejudice to another AfD after the story dies down a bit to re-asses notability. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 15:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. On second thought, I really don't feel that this can really go anywhere. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 13:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Both player's articles (the other being Riccardo Neri) should redirect to an article about the incident. There is no biographical information here. aLii 18:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete because of a lack of information and noteworthiness. I don't even think we need an article about the incident. Maybe the team page can have a line or two about the incident. --Daysleeper47 19:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Qwghlm. Plenty of people die accidentally every day. HornetMike 19:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - it was undoubtedly tragic, but they don't warrant an article. A paragraph in the club article is more than sufficient. Daemonic Kangaroo 19:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - the story has died down significantly (at least on the Italian news sites, last stories were 12/16, w/the exception of blog entries). It could be recreated, however, if it does result in significant changes to the Juventus association or in the Italian Youth Soccer organizations. SkierRMH 01:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
  • comment' - They were mentioned at the FIFA gala today at least twice, which is remarkable for two players which are really unknown. That doesn't change my opinion stated above though, but wanted to clarify that they're still in the news. SportsAddicted | discuss 03:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Subject fails WP:BIO. Wikipedia is not a memorial. Ohconfucius 05:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Consider merging information to Juventus FC if something notable in either person's name occurs (foundation or scholarship, football camp, etc). MSJapan 12:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

  Comment: I have also put Riccardo Neri up for AfD here for the same reasons as this article (it's more or less a carbon copy with a name swap). MSJapan 12:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete both (I merged the second article, as the two are very similar and similarly devoid of substantive content). Guy (Help!) 13:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - no need for personal pages. Eventually I can understand an article (enough material??) to the accident, and redirecting the two names to that accident, but personally I don't find encyclopedic these persons and the fact (so in my opinion no merge needed). -- Cate | _Talk 14:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Merge I think that the accident should be recorded so an article on the accident would be more useful than two stubs saying not very much at all. Triangle e 15:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Dovea 17:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• Merge or keep These boys died whilst training to become professionals... Also Juventus postponed certain things, and so much press coverage was on this, that I believe it necessary for Wikipedia to keep this... Perhaps merge with Juventus under a section "Youth Academy Deaths" or something similar. Asics 20:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete sorry for the guys, but they weren't notable footballers at all. --Angelo 15:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep They weren't notable. However, Juventus had to postpone one of their matches as a result of this incident.
  One minute silence was observed for these players.
  They belonge to youth team, but both of them played for the primavera team (squad right after the 1st team).
  Michaelangelo Rampula, Juve's goalkeeping coach had said that he was going to train Neri with Buffon from next year on. source: http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=21983 (I know it is from tribal but they have simply translated the news that came on tuttosport.com which is the leading sports news paper from turin: base of Juve)
  There is a very high possibility that Juve will keep organize a tournament or mark an occasion with their names.user:rahul.acm
• Delete The event is rare by not notable enough to create article. Matthew_hk tc 17:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

There is lot more to develop in this story. One of the player's father has raised the issue of grave negligence on the part of Juve officials user:rahul.acm

• Keep - as per Jayden54's comment on policy. - Deathrocker 17:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and merge any useful information into Juventus FC article. It's tragic yes, but the players, no matter how much potential they HAD, were not notable in and amongst themselves to warrant seperate articles. There's a section in the current Juventus article about the tragedy (under Current Season), and that should be enough, considering the effect on the team (they had a game postponed, minute of silence, etcetera) SirFozzie 21:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - The subject meets WP:N standards - multiple, non-trivial published reports. Notability is not subjective. Ccscott 18:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
• Although probably too late to save I saw this on one of my watchlists, so, Keep per Ccscott. Bobo. 06:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. If your son died in a car accident, that may be notable to you. Why should this kid be listed but not the one on the 'local' news? Today's TV market has become oversaturated with media coverage. A story may be run and played, but is that really significant? Five years from now, this article will look quite silly.

Also, it doesn't offer much information, not even a birthdate.

Biography is supposed to give people examples of notable lives of important achievement. Instead, we have a youth-oriented culture that self-glorifies itself before even achieving anything of real or lasting value. Playing a game at a minor league level and then accidentally drowning is a news story, but not a biographical article that people will need to know about. At least that is the way I see it here. Those that insist on "keep" are really watering Wikipedia down...if we include everyone, why not ourselves?→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 07:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. As already said, tragic though their death is, the young men are not notable in themselves. In my opinion, a unusual or even suspicious death does make not one notable. I am not recommending this, but if something noteworthy emerged about the accident, one could evaluate the possibility of writing an article about it. Goochelaar 23:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.