Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albert Carnesale

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The result of the debate was keep. —Korath (Talk) 15:31, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Albert Carnesale

The sub-stub reads, in full: "Al Carnesale is the chancellor of the University of California, Los Angeles." End of sub-stub. Brevity aside, are all U.C. chancellors now considered to be encyclopedic? If your answer is "yes", please name at least one other encyclopaedia which carries an article about this person. GRider\^talk 00:41, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Borderline keep. UCLA is a well-known institution, and probably has a population (and a budget) larger than many of the cities in Wikipedia. A university chancellor, as nominal head of the institution, is probably notable by association for major universities. Chancellors also are often chosen because they have notable accomplishments and achievements already, though this article certainly doesn't suggest what those might be. (Whether or not other reference works choose to cover a topic should have only limited bearing on Wikipedia's decisions. Does Britannica have an article on Slashdot?) --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 02:52, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Thanks for looking that up, Capitalistroadster. I fixed your link to the Chancellor's bio, and if nobody else gets to it today, I can try to slap together some sort of biographical sketch on the article page tonight. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 14:14, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC) I've added a good chunk of biographical material. The article could still use some more fleshing out, though, particularly something about his writings. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 20:52, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and Expand. His bio shows that he has written six books, was Dean of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard and represented the US at the SALT 1 talks between 1969 and 1972. [1] As TenOfAllTrades, has noted chancellors especially of major universities tend to be chosen because they are notable in their own right. Carnesale is no exception. Capitalistroadster 11:01, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep chancellors of major universities. Kappa 15:29, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep chancellors of major universities. But note that this puts us on a slippery slope as to what constitutes a "major" university. If we have the chancellor of major university X (without any other basis for notability), the next thing we will be arguing about is the chancellor of not-quite-so-major university Y. The next step is that people will be saying "keep chancellors of all universities"; then "all principals of high schools"; and so forth. --BM 17:53, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless expanded to establish notability. Gamaliel 18:06, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep based on impressive expansion of article. Chancellors are not automatically notable in my opinion, but this person is based on a view of his entire biography. Gamaliel 21:17, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep on expansion. Chancellors may be automatically notable, but we're talking about an article, not a person. A vote on the one is not a vote on the other. A substub that says "Adolf Hitler was a German leader" should be deleted. Until there is information sufficient to justify the pixels and bytes, there is no article. The present article shows significance (and that's the question, folks, not "is IT notable" but "does the article SHOW notability"). Geogre 04:57, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - not because he's a chancellor (can't keep all of those IMHO), but because he passes the professor test. Radiant! 10:15, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Chancellors are not inherently noteworthy. The expanded article shows that this person (who happens to be a chancellor) is noteworthy. Keep. Rossami (talk) 20:19, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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