Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Lyal (deceased)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Majorly _{(o rly?)} 22:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Lyal (deceased)

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Page describes a non-notable street perfomer for a company which provides tours of Edinburgh. Street performer takes on the persona of a non-notable (though genuine) historical figure. Article explicitly states that historical figure achieved "little notoriety" beyond a few mentions of his execution in a local paper. Purpose appears to be self-promotional; links to myspace page and home page for tourism company. Irene Ringworm 18:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Interesting one. The sources provided in the article qualify as OR. I doubt the this article can be sourced from actual sources. Also I think we have a clear conflict of interest issue. --Daniel J. Leivick 18:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
• weak keep Because I think sources can be found , though not on the web. This is a little tick because there's both an historical aspect and a current use as a legend, though neither are adequately sourced. This is an unusual article title: I have seen no other article which actually merits the qualifier "(deceased)"DGG 04:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 04:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• comment (to reiterate strong delete) There's no denying that the figure is legitimate. The question is whether a terribly minor Scottish criminal whose only notoriety is a brief mention in a handful of newspapers meets the notability requirement. The article is a wikified version of information contained at [1], a promotional website for a non-notable company that provides guided tours of Edinburg, Scotland. Irene Ringworm 04:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, both the historical figure and the modern role are verifiable but neither satisfies notability guidelines. Also agree with promotional/COI concerns raised above; Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promoting projects you are personally involved in (the article's author is a director for Cadies Productions). --Muchness 04:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete notability /Blaxthos 05:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep but delete parts about non notable C18 criminal and non notable tour company. However, numerous sources [2], [3], [4], [5] do confirm that Adam Lyal (deceased) stands for election as a candidate for Adam Lyal’s Witchery Tour Party regularly. Nuttah68 10:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. As notable as a number of other criminals on wiki. But delete the promotional links. - Kittybrewster 15:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. If kept, article should be moved to Adam Lyal. No opinion as I'm not familiar enough with the subject to cast an informed vote. 23skidoo 17:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment In response to Nuttah68 - a page previously existed for Adam Lyal's Witchery Tour party - this contained information about his parody candidacy for local government positions. This article was deleted as self-promotional. Irene Ringworm 18:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete per nom and per WP:BOLLOCKS: This is insane; a long-dead fellow where the article and the promoters themselves say was insignificant?? And news flash: blokes executed nearly two centuries ago can't announce that they're standing for office. How in the merry hell can the self-promoting antics of a local tour group define this guy's notability? Even on UK Google a directed search turns up less than 200 hits, and all for the actor. Now if people want an article for the actor, that's potentially defensible. But for the original? Not a chance. RGTraynor 19:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment consensus is that candidates standing in national elections (to call a Member of the Scottish Parliament a 'local government position' is inaccurate and potentially insulting) are notable whilst the campaign is ongoing. If the article was deemed self-promotional it should have been cleaned up, not deleted. As for 'news flash: blokes executed nearly two centuries ago can't announce that they're standing for office., to reply in a similar fashion, bollocks. There is nothing in UK law stopping this candidate standing for election as Adam Lyal (deceased). Nuttah68 19:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• No, but it's also not the original Adam Lyal, either. Which is who the article is about. 12.33.238.82 21:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• The article is about the original Adam Lyal, the tour company and the political campaign. That is why my original comment included 'delete parts about non notable C18 criminal and non notable tour company'. I despair that some people are incapable of reading or following a structured thread. Nuttah68 21:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

My original comment referred to a candidacy for a North Edinburgh council seat and was unaware of the ALWTP's Parliamentary candidates. My apologies to the Scots. Irene Ringworm 20:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment According to the BBC there are over a hundred political parties registered with the electoral commission in the UK, of which the Adam Lyal Witchery Tour Party is one. If this party can be demonstrated to have the notability of, say, the equally parodic Official Monster Raving Loony Party I would recommend that it receive its own article - light on the history of Adam Lyal and his affiliated tourism company and heavy on the influence and activities of the party itself. Inclusion on the list as an officially registered party does not constitute notability. Irene Ringworm 20:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Though intriguing. --woggly 15:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The Current Location makes clear that the purpose is advertising. JBEvans 18:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.