Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A-Wolf

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Luigi30 (Ταλκ το mε) 13:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A-Wolf

Non-notable musician per WP:BAND. Was originally tagged for speedy deletion, negligently deleted by the author, retagged by me--then I did a Google query and found that his music is sorta, kinda approaching the mainstream--thought it better to AfD. One of his albums, 'Miseries Company is listed on Amazon, though the item is not in stock and does not have a sales ranking. His other album is not to be found anywhere. AmiDaniel (Talk) 04:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

From Aaron Proot:

His album is on CD-Baby, which means it is on iTunes and the other download services. He was also on a UPN reality series earlier this year, whose name escapes me at the moment. While he is not a mainstream artist, he is popular enough to be included on Wikipedia. Think of what I started as a stub. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aaronproot (talk • contribs) .

Please read over WP:BAND. Having an album available for download, even via iTunes, does not constitute notability on Wikipedia. AmiDaniel (Talk) 04:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

There are plenty of indie and no-name artists on Wikipedia. Your quick tagging of my article before I had a chance to finish it is deeply irritating and a waste of your time. I do plan on fleshing out this article, unless you manage to have it deleted first. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aaronproot (talk • contribs) .

Please do add to the article right now before it is deleted. You may just convince us against its removal. Kimchi.sg 12:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment what label is he on? Two indie releases does not constitute notability. No allmusic.com entry. Couldn't find the UPN reference. If no major label release, then delete -- Samir (the scope) धर्म 05:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Based on above discussions, he is quite notable. Loom91 08:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete per nom. Kimchi.sg 12:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment, there is no indication he meets WP:MUSIC based on the information provided, or based what I managed to find on the web. That said, is it necessary to tag an article for deletion when it has only existed for 9 minutes without making even a cursory attempt to contact the originator of the article to explain the issue with the article first... or even as a courtesy after nominating it for deletion?--Isotope23 15:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

  Agreed: it was bad form not to contact him first; however, it had been tagged for speedy deletion previously, and the original author removed the speedy tags. I took this as an indication that the deletion was contested, so I skipped the prod stage as, like you, I had sufficiently concluded for myself that the artist was not notable enough. Plus, this AfD provided a more public forum through which the author could adress my concerns (had he adressed them, I would have withdrawn the AfD). AmiDaniel (Talk) 17:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

  I don't think there will be reason to withdraw the nom based on WP:MUSIC because I don't think the subject meets the criteria... all I'm saying is that tagging an article for context (or verification, etc), posting a message on the talk page of the article or the originator asking them to show proof this meets the applicable guideline, and then waiting a few days before an AfD helps avoid claims of WP:BITE and is less discouraging to new(-ish) editors. If every pokemon character or Gundam suit under the sun has an article, having an article there that doesn't meet WP:MUSIC for a week or two probably won't hurt anything.--Isotope23 18:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: You know your pushing the limit when the first sentence in the article literally claims the subject is notable. This subject does not meet WP:MUSIC. --Hetar 17:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. However, I would request, as Isotop23 said, to give articles a bit more time to develop. It is not necessary to catch everything just after it was created. -- ReyBrujo 17:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This artist received months of airplay as an undefeated freestyle battle rapper on San Francisco-based KYLD WILD 94.9 radio. [1] [2] Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I am the graphic artist/photographer who designed his 2 album covers and created his website (which is down at the moment for some reason). While Wolf may not be a mainstream artist as of yet, he is notable for his popularity in the SF Bay Area, for the artists he has collaborated with, and the UPN show he was on earlier this year. I think Wikipedia sometimes misses out by keeping out up and coming artists and I hope you don't make the same mistake with A-Wolf. Also, as the copyright holder for the photograph and 2 album covers I uploaded yesterday, I approve their appearance on Wikipedia as they are promotional tools for Wolf-- AaronProot 17:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Any idea when this website will be back on-line? Some of it is captured by archive.org, but unfortunately the Wayback Machine does not mirror MP3s yet. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the last two votes are just too compelling.  ALKIVAR™ 00:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per other Keep comments. ˑˑˑ日本穣 ^{Talk to Nihonjoε} 00:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable per WP:MUSIC, and the acting stint does not appear on either Google listings nor on imdb.com, no citation listed for said UPN appearance in your article either. As far as his future career is concerned, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball (see link, their wording not mine). Sorry. ~Kylu (u|t) 04:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I'm sure A-Wolf is a talented singer but he doesn't meet the WP:MUSIC criteria. While he may be "popular" in SF Bay Area, his popularity isn't verifiable. Myspace and CDbaby pages aren't enough to establish his notability... --Sam67fr 09:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per WP:NMG, but only one of the four images can stay, as it's patently not fair use otherwise. Stifle (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• keep please this musician is notable enough here Yuckfoo 01:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.