Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/56th Street

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No Consensus. Redwolf24 (talk) 01:18, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 56th Street

Which 56th Street is this, you ask? Why, the one in Tsawwassen, British Columbia, of course! I mean, there aren't any other 56th Streets, are there? What we have here is a streetcruft article filled with a painful amount of trivia (including notes on where traffic lights are) on a road in a minor suburb. Mention a little of it in the Tsawwassen article, but this is ridiculous. I believe even the most inclusive guidelines for road articles don't include things like this. -R. fiend 15:01, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. It's incredibly comprehensive, but per R. fiend, we don't really need it. --Several Times 15:11, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • What? 56th Street was where Brad and Jimmy from the highly talented and influential Nobody (band) (currently signed to CD-R Records Ltd) got their idea for Yet Another Student Critique of Capitalism. (Yes, delete) The JPS 15:33, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and move to 56th Street, Tsawwassen, British Columbia notable road, we had similar issues over streets in west tulsa. Klonimus 16:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
    • True. But they were deleted. -R. fiend 21:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Exactly why is this road notable? The article does not have any encyclopaedic content. The JPS 17:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, is not a notable road. Maybe include a blurb about it in Highway 17 or 99.Gateman1997 17:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep, but Move to 56th Street, Tsawwassen, British Columbia and Don't Redirect after move. maybe remove some unencyclopic facts from the text - if any, redo the Wikipedia:traffic light markup and create article annual Tsawwassen Sun Festival. Zanaq 18:42, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, non-notable street. The very idea of trying to keep articles on every street in the world boggles the mind. Zoe 19:27, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, what I enjoy about it though is that some of the intersections are in plain text, others in bold and yet others in bold italic. --bodnotbod 19:41, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge, at a minimum, with the Tsawwassen, British Columbia article, although a delete is probably more appropriate. No secondary road is twice to three times as notable as the town it traverses; yet here is a 56th Street article twice to three times as long as the article about the town it runs through. And 56th Street may be a tertiary road. I quail to think what will happen to the WikiServers when the articles for the first 55 streets in Tsawwassen are created. — Friejose 20:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, completely and spectacularly ordinary road, thus, not notable. Being made of cement and having cars drive on you does not an encyclopaedia subject make. Lord Bob 20:50, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, as per User:Zoe Pilatus 21:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • delete textual description of a road. --TimPope 22:06, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: The reason why this road might be notable and probably why this article exists is that 56th Street in Canada is the only road access to Point Roberts, United States. Martg76 22:22, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Over there, at Tsawwassen, British Columbia, where that piece of information belongs, it says so already. That's still no reason to include every single traffic light on that road. Pilatus 22:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Okay, let's delete it. Martg76 04:17, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
I wish the anonymous user who created the page and is obviously local to the area would get out his camera and upload a photograph of the border crossing point or of Point Roberts, Washington. That would be useful information; giving details of all intersections and traffic lights is just cramming irrelevant trivia into Wikipedia. Pilatus 11:58, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong delete completely ordinary street. ESkog 22:48, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - per WP:POINT, until we get a WikiProject:Roadwatch. If we're keeping every school in the country, might as well keep every road too. This one seems to have some decent claims anyway. But move to location disambig'd page. FCYTravis 23:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
    • One set of nutty obsessions doesn't justify another. --Calton | Talk 00:30, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
    • Sorry Travis, but it seems your vote is more relevant to WP:POINT than this nomination. Besides, if there are X-thousand schools in the world, then there are a thousand times as many streets. -R. fiend 00:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. No evidence of notability. 23skidoo 00:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Why, it's got a McDonald's AND a Tim Horton's! Delete. Canadian roadcruft.--Calton | Talk 00:30, August 23, 2005 (UTC) (added sig - oops!)
  • Merge useful content with Tsawwassen, British Columbia, then delete and leave no redirect. If this is the highlight of the community then it should be described in the community page. -maclean25 00:32, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Please read the guide to votes for deletion. Merge and delete is not a compatible vote. - Mgm|(talk) 10:26, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and move to 56th Street, Tsawwassen, British Columbia -- Spinboy 00:38, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, move, and clean-up. It appears to be an interesting and important major street in Tsawwassen. DoubleBlue (Talk) 04:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Encyclopedic, verifiable. It should be moved to a more suitable name. --Tony SidawayTalk 04:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete However, it should be noted that this is the only major street in Tsawwassen. So if any street in Tsawwassen is deserving of an article it is probably this street. -- Webgeer 07:01, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete most streets. Radiant_>|< 08:41, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - any and all resons for this strip of tarmac being notable are already covered in Tsawwassen, British Columbia. Wikipedia is not an atlas. Proto t c 09:54, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • First move to more appropriate name, then merge a condensed version in Tsawwassen, British Columbia which should include it's the major street in that town and that it's the only access road to Point Roberts but not every single shop, intersection and traffic light. (This way, the redirect can stand as per GFDL requirements) Merge and delete is not compatible. - Mgm|(talk) 10:26, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep at a diambiguated name. --SPUI (talk) 16:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete With all deference to Tony Sidaway and others in favour of keeping, this in no measure can be described as encyclopedic. It's a street. A street. Dottore So 18:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
    • HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT'S A STREET!!!!!! --SPUI (talk) 00:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Wow, you're comparing 42nd Street in New York, you know, the one that has has a musical named after it, with 56th Street in Tsawwassen, British Columbia? This shows a serious lack of perspective. Not all streets are created equal. – Friejose 12:45, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
      • You seem to be confusing a street with a place. A street is just infrastructure. The 56th Street article does a much better job at detailing the actual street. The 42nd Street article discusses topics that happened near the street (not on it). All streets are created equally. Well, except dirt roads. --maclean25 22:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete nn.  Grue  18:57, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep, but Move to 56th Street, Tsawwassen, British Columbia Piecraft 00:27, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and move to 56th Street, Tsawwassen, British Columbia because I said so! --Cloveious 01:58, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletions. -- Visviva 12:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Comment, do you people really think that someone would have the patience and time to write a lengthy and detailed article about just any old street, unless it was an important 'landmark'? I see no reason for people to want this article to be deleted. The author of the article is clearly trying to illustrate the importance of a street which is considered to be of some significance in Tsawwassen, British Columbia. No one should judge this article simply because they have never heard of it nor seen it. I'm sure there are many of you who don't know what the Blarney Stone is, but if I told you it was a mere rock that was of historical and mythical value to the people of Ireland would you all vote for that article to be deleted? Piecraft 03:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    • Counter-Comment, I realize that many people define their sense of space through their local street system. However, this does not make sreets places in themselves. The vast majority are no-man's-land in which no life can exist on them for very long. Yes, some streets have grown culturally important and evolve a life of their own and these deserve articles. (But) secondly, streets are not notable because what they are associated with. Would I be notable if I had Bill Gates and Michael Jordan living on either side of me? Are streets notable because of a notable business or landmark that exists on their flanks? Thirdly, nobody goes to a street. Streets are the means to achieve an end, and not an end it itself. If you told me that every sinlge citizen of that town used that street twice a day, I would say "Hey, that street should be mentioned in the town's article." If you can muster enough information on the street (that is relevant, on-topic and not duplicated in the town's article) to make the town's article uncomfortably long, then it would justify its own article. The point I'm making? The contents of this article should be moved to the town's article because it is locally important (in terms of access and infrastructure) but means nothing to the rest of the world. Btw, I thought the Blarney Stone was just a great pub in Gastown. --maclean25 05:36, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect it to Point Roberts, not Tsawwassen, British Columbia. Point Roberts is quite interesting because of it's special status, and 56th street is important to that hamlet. However, it is not that important to the people of Tsawwassen. Rename it also to something less ambiguous. It's a minor road, all the information can be included in the Point Roberts article. - Hahnchen 00:32, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep if references added before end of VfD. JYolkowski // talk 23:31, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I cannot believe there is any debate on this. A random street in a random town with a few random facts that will not be kept current through the years anyway. One person's obsession that contains information that even a monagraph on the town would probably not mention. This is not encyclopedic. Indrian 06:51, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Street provides the only land access through Canada, to part of the USA called Point Roberts, unattached to the USA mainland. That lone should prove significance.--Simon.Pole 10:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Not really. Indrian 03:42, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Main road through a large town, but, especially, as per all those who've pointed out about Point Roberts.
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