Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1-san (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. John Reaves (talk) 21:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1-san

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A character created on a message board which doesn't seem to be verifiable or having. There was a VFD 2 years ago here. Seems like if some sort of reliable source was available on the subject, it would've been noted already. There's already a mention of it in the 2ch article and I don't think this passes WP:ATT on its own so delete. Wickethewok 21:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. ⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 23:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. There are two books on 2ch AA characters commercially available that I know of (both in Japanese). Shift_JIS art lists both in its further reading section. Those should be considered reliable sources. Also, this nomination does not say what has changed (presumably for the worse) since the previous nomination, which resulted in a keep. — Gwalla | Talk 03:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• Consesus can change and the article was still entirely unsourced and unnecessary. Wickethewok 04:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Neier 12:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Richard Cavell 03:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete I've read over both the article and the previous deletion discussion, and I understand the arguments that led to the "keep" result. It might be notable, its totally out of my field of interest or expertise so I don't know, but the problem is it has no sources at all and therefore is deletable as original research. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Tractorkingsfan 20:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
• If this is notable, someone with knowledge of the subject should be able to come up with references to prove it. Delete if that hasn't happened by the time this AfD expires. --Selket ^Talk 01:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • References are the aforementioned books, and the corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia: ja:1さん. — Gwalla | Talk 05:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. SakotGrimshine 18:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Ok I fixed the reference for the Japanese wiki as for some reason it was not showing up. I also added a few external links to flash pages with videos of 1-san and a small Java (i think its Java anyway) game. I am not sure what the policy on foreign language Wikipedia pages as references is but I hope this helps. I am not a huge fan of this character or anything, I'd just prefer to expand an article than to delete it if I can. Cheers, Colincbn 13:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• I also just added the actual ASCII art in question. I feel it adds a bit to the article and as it is obviously not copyrighted I don't think there is a problem there. Colincbn 13:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
• I honestly don't know why I am spending so much time on this (maybe be cause he's so darn cute) but I added some "see also" pages and a few more links. I would like to cite some more references but they are all in Japanese. I also did a bit of clean up. I hope this is enough to qualify as a "keepable" article now. If not I would appreciate a push in the right direction. Just let me know what is needed and I will try to find it before this AfD runs its course. I would hate to be wasting my time, however I have a bad feeling that that is exactly what I am doing. but, meh. Thanks, Colincbn 16:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
• I added the two books mentioned above to the References section. I will put in the actual page numbers of >>1-san's entry soon.Colincbn 09:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - sources have now been provided. It also seems a reasonable content fork of 2channel. While that article is not terribly long, merging would unbalance it. Lyrl ^Talk _C 00:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep There are plenty of references for 2ch characters it's just that none of you can read them. Here is a list of 2ch characters on the Japanese wiki list of 2Ch ascii art characters whereas English wiki has 3, Giko Cat and Shii-chan. I'm not suggesting that English wiki should just copy from other language wikis, but there is ample evidence that it exists. Check google for 1さん (in Japanese) and you'll thousands of hits. Here is another flash of him 1さん love Brettr 11:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Four, actually. Monā also has an article. — Gwalla | Talk 06:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep for reasons of geographic/cultural balance. 38.100.34.2 22:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete (or merge into the forum it's from if anybody feels like it). Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.