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[edit] Photography

Added a link to Bill Henson - there's already an article about him so a link seems like a good idea. Maybe there should be a sub-section or even an article on Australian photogrpahers, but I don't think I'm the one to do it.PiCo 02:01, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of Australian artists

There are lists of American and other artists and writers, so how about a List of Ausrtalian Artists? It would include the present list of contemporary artists. I've made a start and will come back to add more artists from time to time, using existing links. This is just a proposal, what do others think? PiCo 02:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, what would you call the article? Theres alot of artists listed at Archibald Prize, many havent got their own articles yet. Cfitzart 06:44, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Don't we already have categories for this purpose? --Robert Merkel 13:33, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Do we? Show me where to find them and what I should do about them. Anyway, I've added a section titled List of Australian Artists, which will bring together all the existing Aust artists and provide stubs for further contribs. PiCo 13:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Category:Australian artists and its subcategories. You might want to have a look at Wikipedia:Category for details on how to use the category system. Great to see another contributor on Australian art! --Robert Merkel 13:58, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


Thanks Robert and Cfitzart. I see we have Australian artists as a category at the bottom of the page already, and now I've added a List of Australian Artists as a subsection.

I see that many of the artists in the list don't show up in the categories. So I'll go though the articles 0on the individual artists and make sure they're in the categories. This will take time :).

I find that there's an article titled List of Artists, [[1]], which is a set of links to artists by nationality. There's no stand-alone national list for Australia. At this point I'd prefer to keep the list as part of this article. Later, when it's moer complete, it might hive off as an article in its own right. (I'd also like to be a bit moer skilled at editing before I post any articles - it would be nice, for example, to include some illustrations, something I'm not yet confident I can do).

I'm not entierly happy with dividing this list chronologically - reality isn't quite so neat, people don't stop and start their careers according to whether the year has two zeroes in it. So I might do the list by simple alphabetical order, but adding the artists' dates in brackets after each.

All comment welcome.

Oh - thanks to whoever turned my across-the-line lists into vertical columns - another skill I haven't yet learned :).

PiCo 07:26, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


Theres quite alot listed under Category:Australian painters .. a subcategory of aus. artists, did you see that one? Cfitzart 15:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, yes, I have found it - working my through it, adding the names from the category to the list and adding dates in brackets.PiCo 23:48, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


I've fleshed out the list using the following:

All names from the Australian artists category and the Australian painters sub-category, with a few exceptions (reqasons below)
Winners of the Archibald
The most recent winners of the Wynne (just to overcome the Archie's bias towards portraiture) - I'll add more Wynne's later

The missing names from the categories have been left out for specific reasons in each case. One is a deceased Aboriginal artist whose relatives have asked that his name not be used in public (but there's an article in Wiki using his name...); another is a person who has no achievements so far as I can see - no major prizes, no major galleries. But of course everyone is free to add names.

I'm going to be horribly culturally insensitive here and say that Wikipedia's mission to provide information outweighs the cultural sensitivities of Aboriginal people. Wikipedia contains all manner of information that offends one cultural group or another; we include it precisely because we think the rights of others to find out this information outweighs the offence taken. We respect the cultural taboos of Christians, Jews, Moslems, Americans, Poms, Turks, Germans, Russians, Japanese, New Zealanders, and admirers of Keith Windschuttle's historical acumen only as far as doesn't conflict with Wikipedia's mission to provide information, and sometimes not even then. Now, I'm sorry, but how the heck are we supposed to write biographies about deceased Aboriginal artists that people will find if we don't use their names?
While this is getting offtopic, one could imagine a similar question hypothetically coming up in the future if somebody added details of secret Aboriginal cultural ceremonies. I know a lot of Australian Wikipedians would immediately argue for the deletion of such material. But why should we do so when we link to the Fishman Affidavit, which details the secret initiation practices of the Church of Scientology? --Robert Merkel 15:05, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll try to add a few biographies soon - there's a lot of red links showing and the more we can turn blue the better.PiCo 07:27, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


Just finished adding Wynne and Sulman winners. This section is now so long it's unbalancing the article, and I feel it should be hived off as a separate article - buty don't know how to do it. ALSO, concerning how to add names to the list, there has to be some criteria, otherwise it gets out of hand - looking at this now I' feeling it already is. Adding winners of major prizes is one obvious way, but I have some problems with that: many early prize-winners are now forgotten, possibly rightly so; and the Blake Prize seems to me a rather bad joke in a country that to me seems without religion, unless hedonism is a faith (and how can you respect a prize for religious art that numbers that old sinner Donald Friend among its recipients?)

PiCo 13:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Artists articles: Drysdale and after

Expanded the stub for RD - please have a look and tell me what you think

Very nicely done, its a good article now. It would help if you included links or references for the quotes though. Cfitzart 00:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
I have commented on the article at Talk:Russell Drysdale. --Robert Merkel 02:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Retitled this section and will add links to articles as I write them (or expand stubs). PiCo 01:23, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Heide Circle

I've created a stub for Heide Circle; if anybody wants to extend it that'd be great...--Robert Merkel 12:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Good article. I added a little to your line about the Heide Museum, just to state that it's more than just a museum.

[edit] Antipodeans

Added an article on the Antipodeans Group. Baased largely on Bernard Smith's Australian Painting 1788-1990 and on the 2 websites linked at the end of the article. Any edits welcomed

Incidentally, I came across this site, which is about the best little potted history of Australian art I've seen. I wonder how we can use it - add it as a link to the main article? PiCo 09:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Ive added links to the antip group from the artists which were in it, the history is good, maybe a mention of the Sydney 9 that it mentions should be in the antip article too. Ive also started Angry Penguins but its pretty basic now Cfitzart 14:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] list article

It was mentioned before about making a separate article for the list, thought it was more complete now so I made it at List of Australian artists Cfitzart 09:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


Good. At the moment I've set myself the task of profiling all Caravaggio's paintings (am I mad?) - but will come back to the Aussies, true! PiCo 11:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Aboriginal art

There's a problem trying to write about Ab. art here - you end up saying either too much or too little. Maybe better to make clear in the intro that this article is about post-settlement Aust. art, and include the link to the full article on Aboriginal art for those who want that? PiCo 11:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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