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[edit] Seriously...
I know its probably old hat now, but I was shocked when I read the top of the discussion page that if the Quran mentions the Ark "...I'll keep on deleting it." Thats sick! Im glad the Quran is mentioned within this article and Im glad it didn't get deleted. Im not sure who it was that first suggested that the Quran segment should be deleted but it sure as hell wasn't a cool statement to make. He was probably Israeli... False messiah uk 14:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- Apparently you're "cool" with "he was probably Israeli" though. I think you ought to reflect on how that makes you look. - Nunh-huh 02:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The "Real" Covenant
Should maybe consider putting a picture of the Ark from that documentary The Exodus Decoded, because the little gold piece of jewlery is supposed to be what the Ark actually looked like since the people that made the jewlery also were supposed to have made the Ark itself.
[edit] The "Real" Covenant Extended
I saw that, but the people that made that jewelry were not even in the right geographical area. It is also safe to say that the ark did not look like that because the cherubim did not look like that. There is a pretty thorough description of cherubim in Ezekiel. They are fairly strange creatures and no depiction of the Ark that I have ever seen featured cherubim that looked like the description.
Ezekiel 1:1 NOW IT came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river Chebar that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. 2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity, 3 the word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was there upon him. 4 And I looked, and, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, a great cloud, with a fire flashing up, so that a brightness was round about it; and out of the midst thereof as the colour of electrum, out of the midst of the fire. 5 And out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man. 6 And every one had four faces, and every one of them had four wings. 7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot; and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. 8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and as for the faces and wings of them four, 9 their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. 10 As for the likeness of their faces, they had the face of a man; and they four had the face of a lion on the right side; and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four had also the face of an eagle. 11 Thus were their faces; and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies. 12 And they went every one straight forward; whither the spirit was to go, they went; they turned not when they went. 13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like coals of fire, burning like the appearance of torches; it flashed up and down among the living creatures; and there was brightness to the fire, and out of the fire went forth lightning. 14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning. 15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel at the bottom hard by the living creatures, at the four faces thereof. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl; and they four had one likeness; and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel within a wheel. 17 When they went, they went toward their four sides; they turned not when they went. 18 As for their rings, they were high and they were dreadful; and they four had their rings full of eyes round about. 19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went hard by them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the bottom, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, as the spirit was to go thither, so they went; and the wheels were lifted up beside them; for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 21 When those went, these went, and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up beside them; for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. (1917 Jewish Publication Society Tanakh)
- Ark of the Covenant Ark of the Covenant
Nevertheless, the Ark is not lost as you can read about here:
- Fate of the Ark of the Covenant Fate of the Ark of the Covenant
Furthermore, there is another ark of the covenant besides the real one which one can read about here:
- Abomination of Desolation Abomination of Desolation
It is nearly as important as the real Ark of the Covenant. Phalanxes 05:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wyatt and Noah's Ark
I've removed this edit as 1) it's been debunked more times than I care to mention like here and 2) it's not relevant to the Ark of the Covenant. Cheers Khukri (talk . contribs) 07:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Walter Juvelius
It's not clear if the riots stopped the excavations, or if it was the heavy rain. Either way why did they leave "as planned"? Are there any sources to clear this up?
[edit] Parker who?
The section "Walter Juvelius" mentions someone named "Parker", but doesn't make clear who Parker is or what his connection to Juvelius is. This section needs clarifiation. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Significance of the ark in the Book of Revalation
Mabey we can expand on this or explain it's significance in heaven?Barry White 17:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Opening Summary Cleanup!
The first paragraph is kind of a mess- it's not really a summary of the article, and in addition it seems to contain more information which should be in "Description" brain 22:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] In the Bible
this section includes 3 different types of sources that are all grouped together as if they are the same kind:
1. Tanakh (or Tanach).
2. Jewish books that are not part of the Tanakh, but are written in similar style and shortly after the Tankh.
3. Christian books.
each of these belongs in it's own category, although Christian views on Jewish books which differ from Jewish views should be mentioned in the Christian section. Sections 1 and 2 may be included under one title such as "in Jewish sources".
in addition, I don't see why the painting of the arc by a Christian is shown, but the picture of a model of the arc that was made by Jews who specialize in this is not shown. the picture should be added to the page. The picture on the Hebrew wikipedia
Why precisely should the Jewish view of the Ark be considered more important than a Christian or Muslim view of it?
As a Christian, I am etremely interested in the Jewish approach to and interpretation of the Ark of God. Scutfargus 16:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Y man 17:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External Link Removal
I have noticed in several areas which relate to religion and to Biblical topics that links are reduced to a bare minimum; many of the links which remain are innocuous and probably rarely used (e.g., links to the KJV of the Bible). I added the following link with the following verbiage:
- "The Ark of God". Complete verse by verse examination of the Ark of God from a Christian perspective; exclusive to this article is the movement of the Ark from city to city.
What was lacking in this article was the exact movement of the Ark, which requires some logic as well as knowledge of the Bible; and the Ark was interpreted from a Christian persective. The link goes to an article with is nearly 20 pages long, and might be valuable to some, and perhaps not to others.
What I have noticed is, on some topics, like "Michael Moore" and "Global Warming" there are a plethora of links; however, when it comes to the Bible or Biblical topics, the external links are often a fraction of the number of external links found elsewhere. Scutfargus 16:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Does this imply someone removed an innocuous link to a perfectly reasonable discussion of the Ark as a Leyden Jar because links to non-religious interpretations are "not allowed" on religious pages? --Phlip
[edit] What the?
What happened to the ark from the pyramid photo and the accompanied description of it as a contender? That ark was at least an awesome example of what the biblical art looked like. Whoever deleted it, reinstate it please? :( 211.30.71.59 07:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] For real?
Is it really "the general consensus of historians" that the Ark was "taken away and destroyed"? I would have assumed that the general consensus of historians is that the Ark story is unsubstantiated myth. Is there any hard evidence that it actually existed? Quite a few of the related stories do stand up to scrutiny. (unsigned)
