User talk:Archiemartin

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Hello, Archiemartin, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] Speedy deletion notice

A tag has been placed on Suz Andreasen, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Seraphimblade 22:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reposting deleted material

A tag has been placed on Suz Andreasen, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article is a repost of either already posted material, or of material that was previously deleted in a deletion debate, such as articles for deletion. If you can indicate how Suz Andreasen is different from all other articles, or if you can indicate why this article should not be deleted, I advise you to place the template {{hangon}}, and also put a note on Talk:Suz Andreasen saying why this article should stay. An admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 4 under General criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. We welcome your help in trying to improve Wikipedia, and we ask you to follow these instructions. Seraphimblade 23:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to your question

First, strictly speaking, I didn't delete the article-I tagged it with a speedy deletion tag, which requests an administrator to review the article for deletion. An administrator then agreed that the article should be deleted, you can see who that was by looking at the page's deletion log.

The reason I tagged the article, however, was that it addressed the subject in quite superlative tones ("famous" and the like), but provided very little source material on her (much of it was on her parents and mentioned her only in passing). The article would have to be written in a neutral tone and show how the subject is notable by the biography notability guidelines. If you have some reliable sources which address her more in depth, I can have a look at it and help you in writing an article if one is warranted. Seraphimblade 23:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to your question

Great - now we are getting somewhere. So - the removal of famous is not difficult to do - however, if you would like more source material that is better than a. Wilkepedia on her Mother, and NY Times on her Father, what would you like? There are hundreds of links to her publications. Do you want these? There are links to her work but these are commercial so I thought better not to post these. When you say reliable sources, I ask - what is more reliable than the NY Times? Please be more specific. Because of her geniology, I could list hundreds of source and I just don't want to waste my time or yours.

Thanks Archie

Archiemartin 23:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the speedy tag; when whether or not an article claims significance is in dispute, it's best to at least have a fuller debate, so that may happen, but I'm not nominating it right now. I think, in all honesty, if you can just give the basics of why she's a significant artist, that would help. Right now, the references are bad, because they basically don't back up anything in the article: the NYT link, for instance, only establishes who her father is, and Wikipedia articles are generally not considered reliable sources. But then, articles don't have to be perfect right away. Mangojuicetalk 23:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The NY Times would be a great source-however, all the NY Times piece verifies is, basically, that she exists, and who her parents were. That's not enough for someone to be notable biographically. If she's published a good deal of work, that would go a long way toward establishing notability, but the best way to establish it is to find good sources which are about her, and not by her or someone associated by her. Those are the sources we can build good articles from. Seraphimblade 23:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't focus so much on who her parents are. Basically, even very famous children (Suri Cruise comes to mind) are typically covered only in their parents' articles, and are usually just worth a mention. If this person is a notable artist in her own right, that's what needs to be established, and it would be good if you could find reliable sources that establish it. What I mean by notability is basically outlined at either WP:BIO or possibly WP:PROF (artists are kind of like academics). One thing that would be good would be to find a list of her exhibitions, people can judge from that whether she's an important artist or a typical struggling one. What I mean by "reliable sources" is outlined at WP:RS, but roughly, we're looking for something someone has written for a print publication, or an online one that has dedicated writers and a good reputation. We're also looking for sources to be independent, so something like her personal website is not a good source. To back up that she has exhibited in various places you might try to find mentions on the websites of the galleries or museums; that would be considered reliable. The best thing, though, would be if you could find articles written specifically about her in reliable press. I wouldn't ask for the deletion debate to occur, though, until you're ready to present your best evidence. Mangojuicetalk 23:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Just one quick point, which is that since Wikipedia aims to be a tertiary source, articles should not be based on primary sources (most of the time, at least -- see WP:RS, where this is discussed). An article thoroughly based on primary sources would be original research, which is disallowed on Wikipedia. Mangojuicetalk 01:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
If I may offer some friendly advice -- one user making very extensive comments at an AfD tends to draw out those who like to see articles deleted. You've made your points as well as possible, now let everyone else have their chance. Mangojuicetalk 20:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suz Andreasen

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[edit] Jewelry designers

I replied at the village pump too: is Category:Jewellery designers the one you are looking for? -- ReyBrujo 02:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


HI - yes, this fits. However, I wonder how much this effects the American usage. The word Jewelry is mainly spelled Jewelry in most common publications. The German and English ones spell it the way it is spelled here. Your thoughts?

Also - how can I look into being an editor for this topic? Thanks Archie Martin 02:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Archiemartin

Hello there. Please answer in my talk page if necessary. Apparently, Category:Jewelry was deleted according to a discussion. And it seems everything was moved to Jewellery. No idea why, you can ask around at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion to see if anyone there knows. Since I am not English, but instead Spanish native, I don't really care about it :-) I guess it has to do with the fact most spelling here is US oriented. As for editor, just click the "edit this page" tab in articles you want to contribute, add the information you want and save the page. With time, you will be able to see who are the ones who contribute there the most, ask them if there is some WikiProject or similar related to Jewels, and get to know more about those topics. Good luck! -- ReyBrujo 02:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


That is great news. I will go after that area and see what I can find out.

IN the meantime -- do you think you could nominate me to be an administrator?

Thanks, Archie

[edit] To let you know

It appears the page is again flagged for deletion. I do not support this, as work is ongoing, but as I did not place the tag and am not an administrator I am not permitted to remove it. I have saved the talk page discussion in my userspace here so that it can be continued in the event the page is deleted. (By the way, if you stick around I'll watch you for a possible admin nomination at some point, but you wouldn't have a chance yet. Most users want to see several months' experience and several thousand edits in a variety of areas of the encyclopedia and discussions on its policies, as well as the ability to remain civil at all times. (Note: I do not mean to imply you haven't been civil so far, as you have, just that everyone likes to make sure you can do it long term!) Seraphimblade 07:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Thanks - I am trying to edit about two dozen of these articles. The Jewellery Category is not well filled in.I am a doctoral student at Bard and this is my area of study. Can you tell me how I can speak with the admin who tagged it? Thanks Archie

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[edit] Signing your posts

If you type four tilde characters (~) as per ~~~~, the server automagically translates it to your username, a link to your user page, and the timestamp. Guy (Help!) 15:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jewelry designer

Hi, Archiemartin, and welcome to Wikipedia! Just to let you know, I placed the {{prod}} tag for deletion on Jewelry designer which had the content "This caregory should be added, Category: Jewelry designer, Category Jewelry." The main article space on Wikipedia is not the appropriate place to write suggestions. That is what The Village Pump is for. Good luck in getting the category renamed! I am impressed by your motivation. By the way, you might want to try posting at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. Hope this helps! —Brim 06:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How to remove content

Use the article's talk/discussion page, maybe mention it in the edit summary. And use the edit summary.

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing.

Xiner (talk, email) 03:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jewelry design

A tag has been placed on Jewelry design, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. If you plan to add more material to the article, I advise you to do so immediately. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources which verify their content. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. --Onorem 14:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suz Andreasen

It is not up to me to google her. That material must find its way into the article itself. This is not a judgement on HER, it is a judgement on the ARTICLE. You see? And please try to moderate the tone of your comments. You will find you get a lot more cooperation if you do so, and people will cut you a lot more slack if you have built up a good reputation.--Filll 15:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suz Andreasen

I see that and that is exactly my point. I think the article is well written and versed on the topic. My tone is firm nothing more and nothing at all personal. I build my reputation on what I know - not what I don't know. Hope this helps you understand ArchiemartinArchiemartin 15:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] procedure around here

WP procedure is a little complicated. The article was first nominated for speedy deletion. It should not have been, as that process is supposed to be used only for obviously uncontroversal items. Problem is that there are only a few hours to contest it, which creates problems if people abuse it.You caught it with hangon, and that is sufficient. But if it ever does get deleted, you can request undeletion--the speedy explains how. For any article so see there other than your own, you can remove the tag yourself and give an explanation.

In AfD the procedure takes 5 days, but if within a day or two everyone has voted the same way, it can be closed early. If too few people vote in the 5 days, the discussion is usually continued another 5. (And the decision can be appealed, but that starts getting complicated and really cumbersome.) It should end tonight. I'm glad you kept with it. DGG 20:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Procedure, Thanks

DGG - thanks for the heads up. I am hoping that this gets kept tonight. I really want to focus my energies on writing more articles in this category. My next subject, Dorie Nossiter is dead, so I am hoping that will not be as much of a headache as this one has been. I want this kept. I will keep with it, but it would really be nice to get this finalized. Since I kisy looked at it is after midnight, does this mean, I have to just keep on waiting and checking? Also - since I counted more keeps, (albeit a few were "weak keeps" that I rebutted, I do see consensus. Thanks, ArchiemartinArchiemartin 05:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I am glad to be appreciated but the only way to avoid too much emotional investment in an article is to work on several at a time. Sometimes one will not work out. (PS, it's not measured by GMC or other clock time, but when someone gets to do it. There's a day or two variation. ) And it is only necessary to reply on your page or my page, not both. WP is confusing enough as it is. DGG 05:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Hello Archie. I noticed that you had created Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/archiemartin. At the moment it's not actually listed at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship (there are a couple more steps needed to do that). However, I have to say that there really isn't much likelihood of an RfA succeeding so early on. You can, of course, go ahead. There's nothing to stop you. But if you take a look at the Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship page, you can get an idea of the experience that successful (and unsuccessful) candidates have. If you do want to go ahead the page needs to be moved from Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/archiemartin to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Archiemartin and you'd then need to add {{Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Archiemartin}} to the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship page. If you have any questions, please let me know and I'll try to answer them. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Sock puppet (internet) may help, but the definition on Wikipedia is a bit broader than the one on usenet. Wikipedia:Sock puppetry says: "Do not use multiple accounts to create the illusion of greater support for an issue, to mislead others, or to circumvent a block. Do not ask your friends to create accounts to support you or anyone else." The second sentence, strictly speaking, is describing "meat puppetry". Wikipedia is indeed full to the brim with jargon, but the internet as a whole tends to be like that, it's just different jargon in different places.
As far as a new article goes, I usually write mine in a sandbox. Not the Wikipedia:Sandbox, but a page under my user page. So, for example, you can write an article on Dorrie Nossiter, and see how it looks as you go along, by putting it at User:Archiemartin/Dorrie Nossiter, or by creating a new page at User:Archiemartin/Sandbox and reuse it for all your work in progress. The only difference with a sandbox is that you don't add categories (like Category:American jewellers or whatever). Any templates, or images, or formatting, looks just the same. I link all of mine from my user page (you can see that on User:Angusmclellan) so that I remember what I'm working on. An example sandbox would be User:Angusmclellan/Queen Victoria Jubilee Institute for Nurses. As you can see, I didn't get very far with that!
If you have any other questions, or I missed one that you asked, please let me know. Art and design, like everything else on Wikipedia, needs work. Thanks for your help! Best wishes, Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Suz Andreasen AfD

Hi Archie.

I wouldn't necessarily say I have any issues with you. I just had noticed what I thought appeared to be odd behavior and wanted to get outside input on how it should be handled. I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to directly accuse someone of sockpuppetry without trying to verify it first or not.

Basically, sockpuppetry is editing under multiple accounts for any variety of reasons, in this case...for the purpose of voting and other shows of support.

If I'm not mistaken, you created and used accounts (Drregus, Bernardola) and your IP address (207.237.49.43 claiming the name jamjam) to add more "votes" on the AfD for Suz Andreasen. This is generally frowned upon, by some much more so than others.

Anyway...the AfD would have passed in either case, but I wanted someone else to look into the votes.

It looks like you are motivated and educated. I think you have a lot to offer Wikipedia. I just wanted to make sure you continued on the right foot.

Happy editing. --Onorem 16:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi again. It took me a while to figure out what you meant. I try to avoid acronyms just because of situations like this, so I didn't remember using that term on User talk:Angusmclellan. IMO is just an acronym for "in my opinion". --Onorem 16:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Tigerliliysuite.gif

Thank you for uploading Image:Tigerliliysuite.gif. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. MECU≈talk 03:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You've added a fair use license, so the image is now licensed. However, the use of an image under fair use requires a fair use rationale and information on why it's not replaceable. Also, the image must be used on Wikipedia, as fair use orphans can be deleted ("Use it or lose it") -- this is because orphanbot removed it from an article. You can restore it to that article. I've removed the no license tags and marked the other problem that now exist. Also, you said this is from the artist's spouse? Why can't the artist license the image themself? How are you related to them? Ideally, we want freely licensed images here at Wikipedia. If possible, the artist should be willing to license it under a free license. I use CC-BY-SA-2.5 myself, but there are many others, including the GFDL and just releasing into the public domain. Good luck! --MECU≈talk 18:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Tigerliliysuite.gif

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Thanks for uploading Image:Tigerliliysuite.gif. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. When you use a generic fair use tag such as {{fair use}} or {{fair use in|article name}}, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. MECU≈talk 18:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

You keep saying "these images are in the public domain", but just because they're on a website, doesn't make them in the public domain. For this image, the website you provided as source specifically says "Copyright 2006, 2007, all rights reserved" which means it can't be in the public domain, so fair use is the only route to go here. I think your rationale should provide something about if these jewelry pieces are available in a museum? Are they only sold on the internet? Are they only held privately and not worn by public figures? You seem to be saying that this jewelry peice is just to show an example of their work, is it possible to find/create an image of any of their work to be fine? If you answer all these, I would be fine with your removal of the tag (or you can contact me to do it).
As for the other images, if you're getting them from a website, that doesn't mean they're public domain. If the images were taken/published before 1922 in the US, then they may already be public domain. However, I would assume they weren't. Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission may by of some use to this direction. If not, the fair use route would still apply, and this would be an easier sell than the jewelry pieces since she has died. Good luck, and ask me if you need more help or have more questions. --MECU≈talk 23:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I see you uploaded another copy of this image with a tag saying that the image is public domain when it obviously isn't, so I deleted it. The truth is, we just may not be able to use that image on Wikipedia. Too bad, but there it is. If you really want some decoration for that article, you'll have to find a legitimately free image. If you can, maybe you could take your own picture of some of Suz Andreasen's work and upload that? Or if you can't, you could write to Suz Andreasen (or her website) and ask them to agree to give Wikipedia some images under a free license? You can look at Wikipedia:Boilerplate requests for permission for some sample emails if you want somewhere to start. Mangojuicetalk 02:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I think asking for the image to be released freely is the best option. If you get permission, forward it to the address on Wikipedia:Successful requests for permission and re-upload the image saying permission granted to release into GFDL (or whatever free license), and the OTRS folks will post that permission was received to license the image under that license. An image in a "public" catalog may still be copyrighted. When asking for permission, be sure to link to where it will be used (ie, in an article about the artist) so they may be flattered enough to agree. Sure sure to mention that an image of their work (jewelry) cannot begin to impede on their work, as the digital medium cannot compare to the 3D world (or something along the lines). I'd give a few weeks for a reply before giving up and we can try something else, such as you taking a picture, like Mango mentioned. Good luck! --MECU≈talk 16:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jewellery Vs. Jewelry

Since English is only my second (third actually) language and I use a bastardized version of it, I see no inconvenient to respell it the american way, my only concern per WP:ENGVAR was the inconsistancy between the title of the article and the body of the text. Now that it's said, it is customary to follow the spelling of the first main contributor and if you perused the article's talk page, you saw that the question came before and no consensus was reached... I suggest, if it isn't done yet, to bring back the subject there before changing anything, see if it would upset some users and discuss the changes in depth with them. Cheers - Myanw 20:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

I'd be glad to adopt you. I completely understand the image licensing issue is very complex and so I'd be happy to assist in any way. However, other than images, please answer the following questions so I can help you better:

  1. What you want to get out of adoption?
  2. What you want to accomplish here at Wikipedia?
  3. What you like to do here on Wikipedia?
  4. What are your problems at Wikipedia?
  5. If you have any specific problems or questions I can answer now.

Also, please contact me at anytime for any reason. You can't possible bug me enough. Even if you think it's minor and the 1000th time you've asked me the same question already on the same day, please ask if you are confused or need help. If I don't know the answer, I know people who will. I look forward to working with you. --MECU≈talk 20:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Adoption: Thanks!

Mecu - thank you. I am grateful.

I will answer your Q&A Below.

  1. What you want to get out of adoption?

I am really seeking someone to help me learn the ropes more on WP. I am a pretty good editor, writer, researcher but my weak areas as you know are image copyright rule as well as the vast areas within WP and how to find them.

  1. What you want to accomplish here at Wikipedia?

I would like to edit and write many articles for the Jewelry category, help implement the needed growth in the category of jewelry, art history and perhaps become and administrator. I think that is more than enough goals for now!:)

  1. What you like to do here on Wikipedia?

I enjoy editing and also learning more.

  1. What are your problems at Wikipedia?

English vs. American spelling and also just getting a response from posts in large public areas.

  1. If you have any specific problems or questions I can answer now.

None now - but I am sure I will have more in the future!

thanks, archie, archiemartinArchiemartin

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