Talk:Archdiocese of Cologne

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Archbishops of Cologne, source: http://www.erzbistum-koeln.de/opencms/opencms/erzbistum/erzbischof/eb_liste.html

[edit] Modern Hierarchy vs. Ecclesiastical Princes of the HRE

It seems to me that no good is caused by confusing the two. I think this article should probably restrict itself to the ecclesiastical principality, and that we should have a separate article - Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Cologne, about the modern archdiocese. Any thoughts? john k 00:15, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi, John is absolutely right. There is a clear difference between the "Archbishopric of Cologne" and the "Electorate of Cologne". The latter was a principality of the Holy Roman Empire, a secular state, which was dissolved in 1803. It was ruled by the archbishop of Cologne not in his function as bishop but as a prince of the empire. The extent of the archbishopric, which exists until today, was much greater than that of the electorate and contained territories of other german princes and Free Imperial Cities. Anyway, in these areas the archbishop of Cologne didn't have any secular but only ecclesiastical power. 213.148.151.130 14:14, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arms

Can someone tell me if the arms are correct? The crozier, mitre and the "double-cross" (don't know the name) are all on the image I based this from. More data available at image desc page; feedback to me please. Greentubing 10:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bonn and Cologne

So, just to be clear, the Archbishops of Cologne lived for many centuries at Bonn, but they still had the title "Archbishop of Cologne"? Did their secular rule actually encompass the city of Cologne? DId Bonn have a bishop of its own? --Jfruh (talk) 01:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Cologne was an Imperial Free city, and thus free of control by the Archbishop. I assume the Cathedral itself, however, was under his temporal authority, rather than that of the city. The issue of sovereignty is, I think, rather complicated in such cases, so I'm not completely sure. Bonn, like most places in Germany, was not a diocesan seat - there was no Bishop of Bonn. This situation is in mild contrast to the situation of the Archbishopric of Trier, which included the city of Trier, but whose Archbishops mostly lived in Koblenz. The issue of a bishop not having actual temporal control of his technical "seat" was fairly common in the various imperial bishoprics - Augsburg, Regensburg, Basel, Constance, Strasbourg, Worms, Speyer, Besançon, and probably several other town were not under their bishops' temporal control from a fairly early date. john k 21:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)