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[edit] Tournament Page

I discovered your tournament page through the Song of Ice and Fire messageboard and was duly impressed. I am the proprietor of the Encyclopedia of Ice and Fire [1] and I would love to integrate this page into my site, with your permission, of course. I would place the material intact and unaltered (other than hyperlinking and any copyediting or formatting that may be required) on a page entitled "tournaments" and hyperlink to that page when appropriate from other pages on the site. I would give you full credit on the acknowledgement page for putting this resource together. Leave me a message on my talk page to let me know what you think. Indrian 02:38, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

  • I am aware of the thread you are speaking of, and I had given some thought as to whether to use my site as the basis for a wiki. I do not want to do so at this time because of the loss of copyright. I may change my mind in the future. I will happily hold off on using your material on tournaments for a while if you feel it needs more work. You are correct that I could just take the page into my own since it is on wikipedia, but I still believe in getting the blessing of the author before using the material on my site. Indrian 05:54, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the update; I will certainly make use of it in my encyclopedia! I know that technically wikipedia users give up any rights when posting content here, but I still want to give you full credit on my site for your hard work. Under what name would you like to be credited on my site? Real name? Board name? Wiki name? Something else? Please let me know. Thanks again. Indrian 16:18, May 10, 2005 (UTC) Hm... difficult. I'll take the board name, Happy Ent, rather than the latinized version I use here to sound more encyclopedic... Arbor 16:21, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Sounds good. It may be a few weeks still before I integrate the material into my site, but I will drop you another message here when I have done so. Thanks again. Indrian 22:28, May 11, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] ASOIAF

if you wanna revert House Martell that's fine by me (and i think i wrote the content i deleted, but on the Oberyn Martell page). the consensus seemed to be that the plot summaries needed to go and that there was too much in the way of plot summary. it didnt seem to really gel, either, as he's the only martell there's anything to say about (except maybe nymeria) until feast for crows comes out.

i wasnt aware of the fancruft debate when i did most of the work i did on asoiaf. the term fancruft might not have even been in use yet, i dont know, but removing things like the oberyn plot synopsis will help us avoid treading (or leaping) that line.

Nateji77 08:01, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Good reasons. I agree and certainly won't revert. Arbor 08:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
The Aegon I Targaryen page is up for AfD. Plese weigh in. NeoFreak 11:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional Universe tag

I'm sorry for the delay in responding; I do intend to create a {{fictional universe}} tag for items of fiction. When I've put together the skeleton of a proposal, I'll request your comments first. If you beat me to it, I won't have any hard feelings! --Unfocused 21:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neisser 1997

I think Neisser 1997 is a different ref than Neisser et al. 1996. I don't find the quoted text listed as Neisser 1997 in the APA report. --Rikurzhen 07:33, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Admin action

Hey Arbor, thanks for your great work on the R&I article. I am concerned that ZM's actions have had a disruptive effect on the page for the last couple of weeks, and it's clear that work on the article has essentially ceased since his arrival. Furthermore, a number of once-regular contributors, who are professional scientists working in related fields, appear to have been disallusioned with the Wikipedia process because of this. It's possible Wikipedia can't sustain a topic this controversial, though I hope that's not the case.

ZM has apparently moved to trying to start edit wars, since his debates didn't convince any of the dozen editors that tried to reason with him. Are there admin actions that can be proposed to end his disruptive activity, before more editors abandon the page? Best, Nectarflowed T 2 July 2005 19:42 (UTC)

As one of those professional scientists who is at his wits' end: hear, hear. I don't know how bad it needs to get, but I'm feeling pretty helpless. --DAD T 3 July 2005 03:27 (UTC)

I think what we want is a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. Arbor 2 July 2005 19:54 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Blind musicians#Editing_Unicode

Cyrillic characters on the Blind musicians page was garbled by edits from IE 5 on a Macintosh. As a Mac user, could you offer suggestions to sort the user’s system out? Susvolans (pigs can fly) 4 July 2005 07:13 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I reset my browser, which will hopefully solve this problem. Thanks again! NoahB 4 July 2005 10:35 (UTC)

[edit] Monty Hall problem

Hi - Have you revisited the Monty Hall problem lately? I think it's been tightened up quite a bit and I've expanded the anecdotes section (slightly). I'd appreciate it if you could take another look at it and update your comments at WP:FAC. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) July 7, 2005 01:20 (UTC)

[edit] Rinderkennzeichnungs- und Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz

hi there, totally agree with you. i really don´t like it when anonymous users just simply put something up and the registered ones have to clean it up after... i don´t think that the word is nonsense either and therefore it can stay.. Antares911 9 July 2005 18:42 (UTC)

Well, it's part of the wiki works. Sometimes there are pretty good edits from anonymous users. Arbor 9 July 2005 18:44 (UTC)

[edit] Race and intelligence

Thanks for the comments and welcome! I can tell that everyone has put a lot of work into this, and I am going slowly. There are many, many POV issues with this article, though. The main thing at the moment is that I do not believe that the APA and AAA statements are comparable to Gottfredson's WSJ editorial, and I do not believe it's NPOV to claim it is. Where the others were drafted over many months with input from many experts and ratified unanimously, the Gottfredson piece has the feel of other (paid?) WSJ op-ed pieces by advocacy groups. Even "mainstream" the title has been called into question as POV by critics. I am extending my estimate to 6-12 months to get this NPOV at the rate we are going. I look forward to working with you! Jokestress 20:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry you felt I was attacking you-- that was not the case. My point is that the issue Ultramarine raises is the same one I have been mentioning-- systemic bias in the presentation of the R&I issue. It's going to take a while to iron all this out, but I certainly assume good faith with you. I like what you have done with footnotes and imagine that will be useful across the WP site. I have been trying to think of ways to manage the talk page, which will only worsen over time. It seems that having the talk archives labeled more accurately will help those new to the issue find earlier relevant discussions so we don't have to rehash things all the time. Just a thought. Jokestress 00:42, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your last message. I also thought I might have been overbearing and prompted your previous response. Elliott Small 07:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotation Marks - Why Straight? Change proposed.

Excellent summary in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Quotation_Marks - Why_Straight? Change proposed.. Thanks. See the (too long, alas) followup commentary I just added. Steve Summit 16:12, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Stay cool. I hear cornered rats squeaking. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 16:21, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of Deutschlandlied

Is there any official translation of the German anthem? (that would be solve the problem) --Witkacy 14:03, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Hm. There certainly is no official translation. (Who would authorise it?) Encyclopædia Britannica has Germany, Germany above all,// above all else in the world,// When it steadfastly holds together.// From the Maas to the Memel,// from the Etsch to the [Little] Belt, //Germany, Germany above all, above all else in the world.. Pretty good, I think. Arbor 16:04, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for contributing to Girl!

An Award
For your contributions to the CotW focusing on Girl in September, 2005, I, Mamawrites, award you, Arbor, this THANK YOU.

[edit] Nagovisi

I had my doubts about the Nagovisi thing, too, and was bending over backwards to give the benefit of the doubt. I agree, it shouldn't be there. Rick Norwood 12:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Some requested moves

Hi Arbor!

I've noticed your interest in the past in the issue of how post-ASCII characters should be handled on Wikipedia. Maybe you could give your input on a current issue.

There's currently an attempt underway to move Höðr to "Hodur" and Lóðurr to "Lodur" (at which point the titles would rhyme, I suppose). Your opinions on Talk:Höðr and Talk:Lóðurr would be much appreciated.

Of course I'm not asking you to copy my votes but to study all sides of the issue and give your own opinion :)

- Haukur Þorgeirsson 09:34, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another attempt to interest you in some votes

Well, if you decide you like ß after all here's your chance to make an impact! Be a leader, cast the deciding vote, make history - it's all possible today on those fine talk pages:

Talk:Weißenburg-Gunzenhausen Talk:Großglockner Talk:Weissenburg in Bayern

Okay, maybe it's not quite as exciting as all that but I thought I'd try :)

Regards,

Haukur Þorgeirsson 23:39, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] from To Do

Please see Template_talk:Todo where the following is posted:

Done it, boldly. Let's see if there is any big reaction to it. By tomorrow, I will edit the Todo How-to to make the instructions conform with the new link texts. (Done, hope I found them all) Arbor 15:59, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you're still watching here, and chance you can wikify the link to the "Todo How-to"? I've been unable to find it under any permutation, and with such common words, search is worse than useless. --Kgf0 23:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

[edit] Talk:Skånska#Requested moved

I have altered single "first past the post" vote to approval voting so that we can try to reach a consensus. Please check that your vote still reflects your position as I may have misunderstood your voting intentions or you may wish to vote for more than one proposal. Philip Baird Shearer 21:59, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More on Amok's images

I've been doing some research on image licensing, and I'm still not sure that we can use his images; the objection you raised on the possibly unfree image page is valid even with his OK. To keep the portraits, we'd need him to license them for commercial use, which I don't think he'd agree to. I've raised the issue again on CyberGhostface's talk page, and I'd appreciate your comments. Brendan 01:47, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish lists and categories

Hello, I have made a compromise proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Centralized_discussion/Lists_by_religion-ethnicity_and_profession#Proposal_to_make_Jewish_lists_and_categories_historical_only. Regards Arniep 23:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flamarande

Hi, I made a few userboxes about ASoIaF, you can see them at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Books and use them at your leisure. I am not finished yet, but eventually I am going to make boxes for all the Houses and perhaps some more ( Nightswatch, etc ). If you understand enough about userboxer you can even improve them. If not, then just "pass the word" about it (please). Flamarande 14:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:War_of_the_Usurper.png

Just wanted to point out that this image you uploaded got tagged as unsourced a few days ago. I know that Thore is an old account of yours; that account's talk page is where the unsourced notice was placed. Brendan 02:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Magic Mountain

Hi, Your thoughtful contributions to this article are excellent. Keep up the good work.

I'll continue to tidy up the text, when I can find the time. In terms of the division of labour, I'll endeavour to add a bit more body text to the plot summary section in the next couple of days. This will fit well with the translation work on themes that you are undertaking. I'll also extend the bibliographical section.

If you have any specific issues with your translation, continue to employ commenting within the editing code and I'll try to check it out. My German is very rusty, but I've access to a friend who is a professional translator. One must have chaos within to give birth to a dancing star....

--Rmackenzie 13:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

If you have an English translation handy, I suspect Ziemßen becomes Ziemssen? Similarly, is it Přibislav Hippe or just Pribislav? Arbor 13:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The Lowe-Porter translation from German into English, published by Secker (England) and Knopf (USA), was approved by Mann and published in 1927. It employs "Ziemssen" and "Pribislav Hippe". It strikes me that the use of continental accent marking is inconsistent in this particular translation, with some characters within personal names, for example, retaining their "umlaut". I hope this helps--Rmackenzie 18:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Karl Pilkington

Keep on removing the "professed opinions" section; it's the right thing to do. Uucp 16:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympia 1964

Hi Arbor, thanks for clipping the detail of the keybord, I have linked the pictures together. Here is the link to the factory -- Arnoldius


[edit] House Frey

Is there no article for House Frey?--AeomMai 23:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Not that I know of. Arbor 06:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Was Stevron Frey the one sent home by Jaime Lannister and killed by the brotherhood without banners, under catelyn stark, or killed in battle against the army of stafford lannister?--AeomMai 18:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

The latter. He is Lord Walder's heir to the Twins at that time of his death. You are confusing him with his son [i]Ryman[/i] Frey, heir to the Twins at the time of FfC. Ryman is sent packing by Jaime and is subsequently ambushed by Lady Stoneheart. Arbor 18:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fetal personhood redirect

Hi there. I noticed you just redirected the Fetal personhood article to Person. I know a template has been up there for a while, but I am just wondering about the fairness of this unilateral redirect without any discussion. If you look at the Fetal personhood talk page, there is discussion of merging with Fetus, but nowhere is there any discussion of merging with or redirecting to Person. As you did not provide an edit summary, I am unsure as to your reasoning for the redirect. If you could clarify your position, it would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps a re-instatement of Fetal personhood, and a call for discussion, would be a better way to go about things at this point. Thanks, romarin[talk to her ] 16:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Revert me. I was just routinely cleaning up pages from the NPOV category. Fetal personhood seemed to (1) have very little activity, (2) be too short for a separate article and hasn't grown in a year, and (3) was proposed for a merge. I merely implemented that, boldly. No deep reasoning involved. If you have a better suggestion to get the page into better shape, go ahead! Arbor 18:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schießgerät

Ah, archaic, ok. like this?[2]. Still, even in an archaic sense "-gerät" has connotations of "tool-like", "complexity", and maybe a certain minimum size. My gut feeling is that Schießgerät encompasses only stuff that shoots (bows, pistols, guns,...), not stuff that is shot (arrows, bullets, cannon balls). Maybe armoury, then? But that wouldn't work for boxes, more like doors or buildings. Up to you, really. I just stumbled on this and don't care much one way or the other. Azate 13:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the others

I have started a page for the Others. I've laid down some indfo, but its not enough, add what you can.--AeomMai 21:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki-linking from quotes discussion

Hi there. I've added a comment to the discussion here about Wiki-linking from quotes. As someone who has posted to this discussion, I'd appreciate any comments you might have. Thanks. Carcharoth 19:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Hyperbole for clarity"

Hey Arbor, this was really very funny ;)

"The precise relationship between not giving children an adequate education and their later socio-economic status is not understood, and critics have cautioned that Black children may not experience any detrimental effects at all from not learning to read in school. Many researchers who support the environmental hypothesis are also communists."

--Nectar 09:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] thanks

Hey Arbor, thanks for the kind words. It has been a struggle, to be sure, to be sympathetic to both sides, but I know that with good faith, we can disagree and come up with a better article. I actually find myself disagreeing with both sides to a certain extent, but I'm afraid the reasonable middle ground of, "yes, genetics have real impacts on intelligence, but arbitrary social categories of "race" are inferior to direct measurement of clusters when trying to compare population groups", is awfully far off. Proponents of the hereditarian stance and the validity of "race" have research which clearly shows self-identification can map to genetic groups, but then they make a quantum leap in assuming that such a study is definitive and conclusive. Anti-hereditarians focus too much on the ad hominem attacks, and their points lose focus when they concentrate on character rather than rationale.

What I'd love to see is some pro-hereditarian and anti-racist folks design experiments together. Of course, everyone wants to interpret things to match their POV, but if they could focus in on falsifiable claims, they might get a bit farther. As I often put it to others when debating a contentious issue, "what would make you change your mind?" As scientists, we should all have a concrete answer to that question. I'm afraid many of the more famous/infamous players in this field do not have concrete answers to that question, on either side.

Anyway, thanks again for the encouragement! And thank you for your contributions - I know as slow going as it may be, we're doing good work. --JereKrischel 23:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amok Art

I stopped using it so its ok

[edit] Use of proper quotation marks and apostrophes in article titles

Hello, I surfed a little bit in the her in the Manual of Style talks and so found your account "Arbor". The thing is that I moved some Wikipedia articles with typewriter quotation marks or apostrophes to pages with the title with proper typography. Like this. All that moves got reverted. E.g. khaosworks' intention for this is:

“ I generally think that unicode characters should not be used in the titles of articles, basically. Most people don't type in unicode, particularly myself when I type in the URL for an article directly instead of using the search bar. I know there's always the redirect, but I dislike seeing that (redirected from) line under the article name, like it's chastising me for typing in the title wrong or something. :) Anyway, yeah, basically I don't think unicode should be used in article titles, and I don't even think unicode quotes should be used in article text. ”

As you know, and I know now too thanks to violetriga who drew my attention to the MoS, it says in the MOS:

“

As there is currently no consensus on which should be preferred, either is acceptable.

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It also says when either of two styles is acceptable, it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change. Sad to say, it is wrong to change an articles title to the more typographically correct alternative. My view, and I hope yours too, is, that the more correct spelling IS the one with the typographic quotation marks and apostrophes. On the one side it may be a lot of work to change all those characters in the article titles. On the other side, in the end we have to go to the correct spelling. From this position, switching earlier to the correct spelling might save us from more work in the future.

So, my question now is, do you support my view, and if what can we do to get something like this in the MOS:

“As there is currently no consensus on which should be preferred, either is acceptable. For article titles, the typographic style ist preferred.>” Ensure that there is a redirect with straight glyphs. (suggestion from me)

--Tobias Schmidbauer 14:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree with you position. But I see no way of implementing a policy change without Wikimedia support. (For example, automatic curly quotes and curly apostrophes before s in.) Arbor 16:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Are you that sure? I just want that I can move pages without getting these edits reverted; That I can point to a policy in the summary, that says "it's OK to do that". I think there are Wikipedians who would do it without that tech stuff. There's no need of Wikimedia support, if you just want to have the page titles typographically correct. I think some administrator could implement a script on the page move page with functions similar to those under the textbox when you edit a page. This function I imagine would be a button next to the inputbox for the page title. You select some text in the box, click the button and voila all the special characters you need can be inserted before and or after the selected text. --Tobias Schmidbauer 17:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
As I said, I agree with your position and support it whole-heartedly. Headlines might be a good battleground for this war, as many of the usual (silly) arguments don't apply, and typography has at least some relevance at that font size. Arbor 17:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] issues

Arbor, a number of issues have come up that you might be able to comment on.

Gould:

  • Issue 1: Whether SJ Gould's MMoM is a reliable source for expert opinion about intelligence research.
  • Issue 2: Whether the existence of Gould's criticisms is noteworth and sufficient to require the demotion of research findings that would otherwise be treated as "fact" because they are otherwise generally accepted.
  • Conflict: whether Neisser's (1997) [rejoined for the APA report] confirmation that Rushton and Lynn are right about B-W-EA diffs in brain size is sufficient to establish this difference as fact. Notably, Neisser is adversarial to Rushton in the following paragraph.

Race:

  • Issue: Whether we can make a "necessary assumption" about race in order to describe research which assumes a working defintion.

--Rikurzhen 07:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] yayauac

I'm not sure what needs to be done about yayauc, he continues to revert the Aegon merge and won't reply to anybody's attempts to open a dialouge about it. Suggestions? NeoFreak 14:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Sigh. He needs to be blocked. I am not good at that kind of thing. Arbor 14:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
He's really motivated to edit and he has alot of good info. I was hoping an admin could talk to him and explain he can't do what he is doing and avoid him getting blocked. NeoFreak 14:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Would you be willing to be a participant in a Offical Mediation in regards to Mystar and the Terry Goodkind / Sword of Truth articles? NeoFreak 16:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, no. I have no idea about what the conflict is about. Arbor 17:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
It's just a group a editors trying to get constructive edits started again on the Terry Goodkind page. If you don't have any interest that's cool. Thanks! NeoFreak 18:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
By the way, consider starting a WP:RFCU to get him for sock-puppetteering. Actually, no. That seems to be a last resort. Arbor 18:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
We are currently enforcing a complete edit stop on that page, my apologies for reversing your edits. I did save them on the talk page, and they most likely will be implemented when agreements are reached in the mediation, and the edit stop is ended.
As for sock-puppeteering, Omnilord is authentic; he has a list of edits, though they're all on Goodkind- or SoT-related articles, and he has his own account on the forum mystar is webmaster of. Paul Willocx 21:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cause, explanation, etc.

arbor, i can't seem to get thru to ramdrake of jk about the distinction between explanations and descriptions. your comments have been more effective than mine in the past. perhaps you can help. --Rikurzhen 21:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: ==Bias== by Arbor 06:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC) on Talk:Race and intelligence

Is it not possible to make the article less American? [I agree that the article is too 'American'.] Mind you put the tag back on if you reconsider? Thanks; I won't be on Wikipedia much.100110100 15:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IQ test controversy

See my comment on the article's talk page. --Jagz 01:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Arbor, I copied the IQ Test Controversy article into the IQ article so you can delete the IQ Test Controversy article now (since you know how to do it). --Jagz 19:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I deleted it several months ago. --Jagz 13:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MMoM controversial

I saw the section later. There is a ref within MMoM that says it's controversial. If you can move it up, you can open with it and have the "controversial" label cited. Then, I have no objections whatsoever.--Ramdrake 11:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] R&I clines and clusters

Arbor, maybe you can weigh in on the R&I talk page. JK and possibly Ramdrake appear to be resisting even the most elementary (but important) rewriting of the brain size section. If my latest edit is simply reverted away, then I think it suggests that the state of affairs surrouding the article (and WP) are poor and the outlook grim. --Rikurzhen 04:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] r&i

arbor, if you're still around, you might be able to help with the R&I page. JK has taken to doing some extreme and unwise editing. --Rikurzhen 04:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'll be back, but not now. Real life work/research is extremely hot right now and needs my full commitment, so no WP or similar activities for the next few weeks either. My moral support is all I can offer. 130.235.16.182 13:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC) (Arbor, not even signing in!)
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