Talk:Antwerp

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Why is the Spanish name of Antwerp here??? I understand the French name beacause a part of Belgium speak French.

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[edit] Why does the population between 1545 and 1570 decline by 60,000?

Why does the population between 1545 and 1570 decline by 60,000 as stated by the statistics in the article? 81.151.89.234 22:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Quote from the article: "On November 4, 1576, the Spanish soldiery plundered the town during what was called The Spanish Fury, and 6000 citizens were massacred. Eight hundred houses were burnt down, and over two millions sterling of damage was wrought in the town on that occasion."

Many of the people fled north to the Netherlands.

[edit] Rubens is a Baroque painter

It was claimed that Rubens is not a Baroque painter. This is quite bizarre. See e.g. here:

" The Flemish painter Peter Paul Rubens is considered the most important artist of the 17th century, whose style became an international definition of the animated, exuberantly sensuous aspects of baroque painting. "

Or here:

" Estilo: Barroco Centroeuropeo"

Or finally:

"Flemish painter who was the greatest exponent of Baroque painting's dynamism, vitality, and sensuous exuberance."

I think we can safely conclude that Rubens was a baroque painter ;-) Fram 14:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Skyscrapper in Europe?

Is it true, that the "Farmers tower" in Antwerp was the first skyscrapper in europe? Maybe an interesting information!?--Manfreeed 19:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

the official english name is "KBC Tower" 194.78.199.56 15:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Why include the French name at all?

I don't see why people who read this article in English should be given the French, Spanish, or, why not, Italian, Portuguese and Latin names of this city in the first place.

This article is in English, and the city of Antwerp is Dutch-speaking. It makes sense to use the English name Antwerp; and it is essential to state that the official name is Antwerpen. People who want to look for further information will need that name. But to include the French name of the city might lead people to thinking that the French name is also official, and therefore useful for further research. This is especially the case with Belgian towns, as many foreigners tend to believe that Belgium is French-speaking, or has a French-speaking majority, or uses French as its national official language. None of this is actually true.

Leaving out the French (and Spanish) name would also bring the articles about Dutch-speaking places more in correlation with other articles on the English version of Wikipedia. The articles on London and Scotland do not state the French and German names. The articles on Geneva and Milan do not include the German names for these cities. And the articles on French-speaking provinces in Wallonia don't contain the Dutch names of "Mons" and "Hainaut". So why should we make an exception for Dutch places? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.197.33.214 (talk) 18:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

To state that the French name "Anvers" is not official is slightly erroneous: it may not be officially used within the municipality, but the nation of Belgium is officially bilingual, and so the central Belgian government must refer to it both in Dutch and French. Furthermore, the Spanish name is historically significant, since Belgium was part of the Spanish Netherlands some four hundred years ago. Djcartwright 23:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

And as for the reverse: at least Namur (city) lists "Namen" as the Dutch language version in the intro. I don't think it is unreasonable for major Belgian cities to list both versions, as long as the local name comes first, and the text explains explicitly or omplicitly which language is the local language. Fram 20:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The introduction to Brussels has the city's German name! French is not a foreign language in Belgium, I don't see why all cities shouldn't have both versions. It's easy enough to tell from the rest of the article what the local language is.GSTQ 04:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diamonds

Isnt the place famouse for diamond trade? Cacophony 03:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

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