Talk:Anti-Irish racism

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[edit] Footnotes?

Does anyone know what's up with the numbers indicating footnotes, but no footnotes to be found? Was this copied from another article? A google search didn't turn up a copyvio, but that's the only reason I can think of for this oddity. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 04:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Not sure, but the article needs major work. Also the term "Anti-Irishism" is a neologism. Most such articles follow the form "Anti-X sentiment" unless there is another commonly accepted short form. Thus I would recommend renaming it to "Anti-Irish sentiment". --64.230.127.12 05:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, that's exactly what the article was originally called [1]. No explanation was given for the renaming [2]. I'm for returning the name to "Anti-Irish sentiment." As there's already a redirect at that name I think a simple consensus here on the talk page would be sufficient to move it back. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 07:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I was just wondering the very same thing, Kathryn. The footnotes are not in order, and they link to nothing---not very helpful. And, the anonymous user is correct, this article needs major intention, starting with the title. ---Charles 06:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Found the missing source(s): Irish American#Discrimination and prejudice. Which makes this article largely redundant at the moment. However, I think this article is worth salvaging and expanding, as there's no reason to limit it to the experiences of Irish-Americans. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 08:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming this article

I think there's general agreement we need to rename this. The original title was Anti-Irish sentiment. I would be ok with that, but would prefer something a bit stronger, such as Anti-Irish prejudice or Anti-Irish racism. Thoughts? ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 21:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frankenstein cartoon

The cartoon on the right hand side of the page is problematic. Although a brief glance makes it appear to be some pretty nasty stereotyping of the Irish, more detailed research shows that it may, in fact, be a reflection on British society.

First of all, we have to look at the events this cartoon was commenting on. We only know the month of publication, May 1882, which is the time of the Phoenix Park Murders, when British officials in Dublin were assassinated. It seems highly likely that the cartoon is a commentary on the brutality of those murders.

Next, we have to look at the depiction in the cartoon, (Frankenstein) and the quotation under it, (presumably from the book) reading: "The baneful and blood-stained Monster... yet was it not my Master to the very extent that it was my Creature? ... Had I not breathed into it my own sprit?..."

It seems to me that by depicting the Irishman as Frankenstein and explicitly quoting that Frankenstein's monstrosity reflected his creator, the cartoonist is saying that the behavior of the Irish republicans who committed the murders was a product of British involvement in Ireland. Because of the ambiguity in its meaning, I think the cartoon should be replaced by something more explicit. GabrielF 22:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I've replaced the Frankenstein cartoon with something a little less ambiguous. GabrielF 23:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)