Talk:Anti-Chinese sentiment
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[edit] Revert war
People here are strongly and firmly advised to stop revert-warring and discuss their differences on this talk page rather than keeping reverting the article. I am absolutely stunned to see this talk page blank with the number of revert which can be seen in the history; this is a very worrying sign as to the actual willingness of people here to discuss the matter.
You are all advised that I will consider further warring as disturbance and will take appropriate measures to make this stop. Rama 15:23, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rename and expand
Sinophobia is a better title for this article. It appears in dictionaries [1], has 11 000 google hits and is absolutely an extant issue. It's relevant in: Taiwan, Tibet, Malaysia, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Cold War Russia, the United States and (arguably) Canada. Re-directing this to racism is ridiculous. If we don't have a page for a species of lizard we don't redirect to animal. Marskell 19:21, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
- From the last moment I am aware, there is no requirement to call a vote for a move, especially on such a small and unmolested article as this. --TJive 15:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Since there has long existed a Sinophobia redirect it requires a manual move. The article as is deserves to be expanded separate from racism, which was a solution but only a temporary one. --TJive 15:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
- Whoops, I just realized I goofed, because I didn't notice the above template. Sorry. I doubt there will be many votes for the proposal though. --TJive 16:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rename
Please formally support or oppose move to Sinophobia. I'm supporting obviously. Marskell 11:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
- Support. --TJive 15:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Role of politics/government
It is obviously the intention of the belligerent anon that this article be focused not on the racial aspects of "anti-Chinese sentiment" (hence Sinophobia) but rather the political. This is a controversial proposition (though not unused) as far as the latter term but "anti-Chinese sentiment" is far too broad and does not appear to actually be used in formal contexts as a term. Rather the article as it existed appears as the analysis of the editor and hence original research. The precise nature of the topic needs to be agreed upon to decide where to place the content and how. --TJive 16:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
- I have thought long and hard about this in other contexts and I don't know if we're ever going to have a clear separation of political and ethnic focus in these articles. Anti-Americanism, for instance, is not actually a racial or ethnic bigotry as Americans don't constitute a racial or ethnic group. Yet it is clearly analoguous to racial bigotries insofar as the American people are targeted and not just political policy. I don't like Anti-country sentiment in general because it is amorphous and invites the political soapbox as you suggest. Of course -phobia or -ism are not perfect either but these are dictionary words, easier to pin down and verify as extant (or not).
- Of course, politics does need some mention alongside strictly ethnic considerations when it becomes "consistent hostility" rather than regular criticism. Anti-PRC rallies in Taipei or Anti-Iraq War rallies in London are not necessarily "phobic" but when someone pulls out a Chinese or American flag and burns it it does qualify. In short, focus on ethnicity yes, but realize that it can't be compartmentalized as wholly seperate from politics (which is as much about emotion as about reason, after all). Marskell 16:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
