Template talk:Animal testing advocacy

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[edit] Advocates

Why is Beverley Sills included? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 06:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Good question. It would appear she is the chair of the March of Dimes Foundation [1] and was awarded the "Albert. B. Sabin Heroes of Science Award" by Americans for Medical Progress. That suggests she probably is an advocate. Oddly though, i found this PETA document [2] (pdf) which quotes under the headline "Animals need you now!":

"Don’t worry that you won’t know the perfect thing to say or do or that the task is overwhelming — just do it! Beverly Sills said, “You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don’t try."

I guess there either must be another notable Beverley Sills, or she had a change of heart. The alternative - that PETA would manipulate the context of a quote of an animal advocate to suit its own agenda - is surely unthinkable! ;) Rockpocket 07:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I am not keen at all on having a list of purported advocates of testing in this box. Firstly, the actual number of people who advocate testing must be virtually innumerable, certainly far too many to fit here and second its framed like some sort of indictment, like those abortion doctor lists that extremist whackos use to intimidate people.--Deglr6328 11:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I wonder where you get the idea that this template was created by an "extremist whacko"? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 11:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I did not at all say that. It is reminiscent of an indictment roster of that sort especially when there is no eqivalent list of people against testing. I think the list is incapable of ever even approaching completeness and even if it were, a sidebox is no place for such a thing. --Deglr6328 11:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

template:animal_liberation There is a huge controversy over animal experimentation. Prominent members on both sides are identified in these templates. Of course not everyone is listable, but that doesn't take away from the inherent value in letting people easily identify persons, issues, and ethical arguments used by ALL POVs in the controversy. If the animal liberation template hadn't pre-existed, I would not have created the animal testing advocacy one. Why doesn't SV explain why she made that template Sept a year ago? --Animalresearcher 10:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Research centres?

Any thoughts on whether this template should be added to notable research centres like the Oregon National Primate Research Center? Rockpocket 10:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd thought articles focussed on advocacy or controversy would be good places...placing it with every research center seems a little too much, at least to me. I would think it would be largely restricted to the related articles contained in the template itself. --Animalresearcher 21:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Edward Porter

I found John Edward Porter to be in the box, he turns out to be a politician, not animal right advocate, can you explain that? Wooyi 01:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

See John Edward Porter#Involvement in Science. Rockpocket 04:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, actually it was me that made that section, but it only said "medical research", not animal research. Wooyi 04:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that. This is indeed a problem. Those critical of animal experimentation describe Americans for Medical Progress, for example, as a pro-testing group because they support medical research in its current form (which involves extensive use of animals). It follows therefore, that those individuals that advocate medical science (in its current form) are by default advocates of animal experimentation. It appears that one has to purposely speak out against animal testing in medical science before one is excused the label of vivisector or a supporter thereof. I'm not saying I personally agree with this classification, but it tends to be how it shakes down in the face of the strong anti-testing lobby on Wikipedia. Rockpocket 06:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

He has also received the Albert Sabin Hero of Science Award from Americans for Medical Progress for his consistent advocacy for medical research. American for Medical Progress is essentially a group advocating for the use of animals in research in its current form, and the Albert Sabin Hero medals are given to people who help. Porter led the charge to double the budget at NIH from 1998 through 2003, and has been integrally involved in political oversight of NIH and in advocacy of medical science in general, and specifically of the use of animals. --Animalresearcher 19:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)