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this is rather confusing...
Gringo300 21:39, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific about what's confusing? "Anglic languages" is a term used (rarely, admittedly) for English and its closest relatives, especially when one wants to imply that linguistic entities like Scots are separate languages, rather than dialects of English. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 22:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] AAVE is not a language
Making aave classifed as a sub english of english would mean you should also include american english,and australian english as a sub of english.
- Does AAVE not have its origin in a kind of pigin or creole, e.g. Gullah. Though modern day varieties have converged more to the standard. That would differentiate it significantly from American and Australian English. BTW I'm no expert on that.
- 84.135.251.67 21:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
There is no proof that its even a language.
AAVE is a dialect of English and is thus covered under "English"
- If you're listing AAVE as a dialect of English, you should really include other dialects. Otherwise you shouldn't list it at all. EDIT: I see that British v. American English have been deleted by the same person who seems to be defending AAVE being listed. Also, the different dialects are covered in the English article and so there is no need for AAVE -- Crushti e. 00:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Perhaps Doric and Ulster Scots should be removed too?
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- If we're going to delete everything that's considered a dialect rather than a separate language, then the list should contain only Old English language, Middle English language, and English language. Everything else is usually regarded as a dialect of one of these three. Angr (talk) 13:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
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- According to the Oxford Companion to the English Language scholars of Scots use the chronology
- Anglo-Saxon to 1100
- Pre-literary Scots to 1375
- Early Scots to 1450
- Middle Scots to 1700
- Modern Scots 1700 onwards
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- The University of Glasgow seem to have no problem following it [1]
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- Of course none of that necesarily makes it a language other than English but being academics they have no doubt lost the plot.
- Perhaps the article Scots language should be merged with Scottish English, History of the Scots language with History of the English language, Older Scots with Middle English, Middle Scots with Early Modern English , Phonological history of the Scots language with Phonological history of the English language and Ulster Scots language with Hiberno English or Mid Ulster English though perhaps that should be merged with Hiberno English anyway.
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- Yeah, the problem is that "Anglo-Saxon to 1100" has little to do with contemporary Scotland, "Pre-literary Scots to 1375" is a historical invention, and "Early Scots to 1450" is never called Scots except by moderns Scots enthusiasts; speakers of the time only ever called it English, and there is no hint that contemporary speakers thought it any different; and indeed, these texts (of which there are quite a few), are closer to modern English that, for instance, Chaucer, who is able to write in long established dialect forms. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
So Middle English was the contemporary term used by Middle English speakers when they were speaking Middle English!?! The only spurious definitions I've read recently are from yourself (Gaelic and Gaelic seperate languages, but uniquely amongst all linguistic sub-groups; English being untouchable and unable to develop into seperate languages.) Either you define language one way or the other but stop the dishonesty and demonstrate an equal critique on all languages (including Gaelic)82.41.4.66 16:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why are you listing "Angloromani"
Doesn't seem written,its just a combination of two languages thats a creloe not a dialect,If i made a creloe of german and english would that be a language or a creloe?
[edit] The family tree
Just passing through and couldn't fail to notice that the family tree seems to give the impression that Early Scots (was contemporanious with Early Modern English. Is this the case? 81.79.229.119 21:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
