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Ynys Môn is now being used more and more in English (for example the parliamentary constituency) - should we relocate the article there as the name used by the majority of the local population, in line with many other place names? Timrollpickering 01:22, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Whilst the constituency and the preferred use by the council is Ynys Môn , Anglesey is still commonly used for the geographical island and by most non Welsh speakers on the island and by almost all other residents of the UK. As there is a Welsh wikepedia it would seem appropriate for the article on the Welsh wikipedia to be Ynys Môn and for it to be Anglesey here. Velela 07:59, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm a local and refer to the place as Anglesey, and to be honest from my experience you'd get strange looks if you used the Welsh name in English conversation and vice versa. I also don't like the "Ynys" bit because I'm from Holy Island, so we're not on the ynys proper. "Sir Fôn" or just "Môn" is better :) Dafyddyoung 16:00, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
That is very intersting because Sir Fôn is the only County in Wales whose boundary is easily related to its geography - i.e by its seaboard. But Wikipedia has dealt differently with Council areas as opposed to geographic areas. There are, for example separate articles for Solihull (borough) and for Solihull. The first dealing with the council and the second the place. Is there perhaps an argument for an article about the Island of Anglesey as a geographic entity (perhaps the article we have already- and there could also be another about Holy Island - there is already one for Ynys Llanddwyn) and, in addition, an article about the political entiity perhaps entitled Sir Fôn/Anglesey County Council ?
Mrs Trellis 22:25, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'd say most counties in Wales have boundaries easily related to geography - i.e. Monmouthshire is between the rivers Wye, Severn, Rhymney and the Black Mountain. Quite an easy to define geographical area. In any case if there were to be an article on Anglesey County Council it would be called just that in the English-language Wikipedia.
Owain 18:08, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Aye, so long as there's an English name for these places they should be referred to in English in the English-language Wikipedia. I've never seen the Ynys Llanddwyn entry before, should it not be under Llanddwyn Island? Another discussin for another talk page, I suppose. And back to the original point, when Ynys Môn is used more frequently in English it's hardly ever pronounced properly anyway. "Innis Moan" is what you're likely to hear on the Beeb... And there already is an article for Holy IslandDafyddyoung 11:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Recently???

"Channel 4's popular 'Time Team' programme recently visited the island"

Relative terms like "recently" should not appear in articles where there is no context to evaluate them in. Somebody may read this article in 10 or 100 years time... Please can someone find out more about the event mentioned and replace "recently" with a specific date.

[edit] Convent...

"Cadair Mynachdy (or Monachdy, i.e.. "chair of the monastery"; there is a Nanner, "convent," not far away)" I'm not entirely sure, but the Welsh for a convent is "cwfaint", isn't it? Dafyddyoung 11:26, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology (inc. Removal of `Isle of Angles' explanation)

I have removed `(i.e. "Island of the Angles")' from the article because it looked like it referred to Môn (which, incidentally, appears in Roman (Latin) texts published long before the Angles so clearly has nothing to do with the Angles--as an aside, in Latin it also refers to the Isle of Wight--maybe something to mention).

I was going to clarify that the parenthesis removed referred to Anglesea. However, I also couldn't find anything on the WWW saying (except based on WP) saying that Anglesea or Anglesley means island of the Angles. How would sea become island?

The introductory sentence is too cluttered already anyway. If someone knows the story behind the etymology of Anglesey or whether the claim above is true, they should probably make an Etymology section in the article for reasonably verifiable etymological info.

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 13:44, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

The ey or y suffix is widely used to signify island as in Bardsey, , Lundy, Ramsey, Caldey and possibly even Barry and Sully. It is probably the same derivation as Brownsea in Poole Harbour, Mersea in Essex, Isle of Wallney in Cumbria , Great Cumbrae Island and posibly even Wallasey on the Wirral. It may also be linked to the word eyot for an isaland in the River Thames. I don't know the eytmological derivation but there is little doubt that the English name for the Island - Anglesey does derive from Island of the Angles and its derivation probably greatly post dated the roman occupation. The derivation might be from the Old English Ieg meaning island.
Velela 15:44, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
It was Môn that I was claiming derived from Latin.
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 14:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Please note the whole article on Anglesey needs rewriting as it is full of inaccuracies or is just plain inadequate. The 'connection' between druids and cromlechs was an early eighteenth century fantasy. The description of druids is wholly inadequate. The derivation of the name 'Anglesey' is now generally believed to be from a Norse personal name Ongull + s + ey (island). The historical section is generally lacking in perspective and detail. Please rewite! I would have a crack at it myself if I had time.

If that etymology is true then I'm going to reword the bit about the English being 'corrupted' from the ON. 'Corrupted' is always a bad word to use anyway, and this case the English might preserve older vowels. If the ON was originally *Angull, the [u] regularly mutates any preceding [a] to [ɔ] (ON spelling ǫ, which has become ö in modern Icelandic). ~~ Anon, 2 August 2006.

[edit] RAF Valley

Should some mention not be given to RAF Valley in this article?

[edit] MEM Factory

Should some mention not be given to the Eaton MEM factory in this article? I understand they are the 3rd largest employer on the isle, after the council and the aluminium factory>

That would make them the fourth biggest employer and I have never heard of them in any case. 145.253.108.22 16:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


You have not mentioned Wylfa they out employ MEM easily for now....

[edit] Removal of Draoi-Heil

This article contains a link to the article on Draoi-Heil. The linked article lacks factuality and credible links. Instead it misrepresents romanticist beliefs as a factual account of Druid practices. I am thus proposing that the link be removed and the History section modified to accommodate this. I won;t touch it right now, so that any wishing to do so may check out the article. I'll check back in a couple days from now to see if anyone has any objections. --Sidhebolg 05:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caesar's Mona

In his Commentaries on the Conquest of Gaul, Julius Caesar mentions the island of Mona. The translator of the Penguin Classics edition I have writes that nobody is quite sure whether Caesar is referring to Anglesey or the Isle of Man. Does anybody know whether there's been any further research on this? --Charlene 05:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Could you provide a pronunciation for the English name "Anglesey" as well? There has been a question on the German wikipedia as to how to pronounce that word (de:Wikipedia:Auskunft#Anglesey. Thanks in advance. --62.214.240.23 21:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Answer on de.wikipeda: ˈæŋglsɪ according to Gimson/Jones. --62.214.235.79 07:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Climate

Since when has Anglesey had a humid climate? That sounds a bit rude, sorry! What I meant to ask is "where did you get that information from?" lol. Cls14 12:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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