Talk:Angle Township, Minnesota

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I removed the merge tag because each and every township has its own page. This is a standard used across Wikipedia. If you feel that there is redundancy between the two pages which were proposed to be merged, then please take care of that in some other way.--Hraefen 15:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I feel there is redundancy that should be taken care of by merging. The two articles talk about the exact same thing. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 20:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• Each and every township in Minnesota without exception has its own page on Wikipedia and erasing a whole township simply because it has info on it which is also on another page is not the answer. And there is really not that much redundancy either. Only the opening paragraph and the picture are the same.--Hraefen 20:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The redundancy is in the subject matter. This will never be more than a Rambot stub because all the interesting stuff is in Northwest Angle. It's similar to the case of New York County, New York, which redirects to Manhattan. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 21:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• Well, interesting is pretty subjective, no? Northwest Angle contains no info on demographics and while this might be of zero interest to you, it surely might be of interest to anyone living there or near there (or anyone else, really). And having only bot info now does not mean that only bot info will be there in the future. There was only bot info at Austin Township, Minnesota until I decided to add some info. Given all of the Minnesota township pages (not to mention all other similar political and administrative divisions in other U.S. states) that exist on wiki, will merging one really do anything worthwhile? Save any significant space? Make wiki more easily navigable? I don't think so.--Hraefen 22:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Austin Township is not coterminous with anything else, while Angle Township is. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 22:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• That's true, but how about the other points that I raised? i.e. what exactly will be accomplished by this merge? If you merge all of the demographic etc. info into Northwest Angle, it would seem like really random information on a page which thus far is mainly about the peculiar/ interesting geography/ location/ claim to fame of the Angle. To throw demographic info in would be weird and for the reasons I pointed out above, pointless. And I still think the system of 1 township = 1 page makes sense... it's systematic and allows for expansion at later times without crowding pages that happen to share certain things in common, be it location, history, whatever. What if someone wants to start mentioning campgrounds/ streams/ roads/ anything located in the township? This would seem really random in the Northwest Angle page.--Hraefen 23:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't buy it. The Northwest Angle is the name of the piece of land - why shouldn't it have this information? --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 23:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not asking you to buy anything, only to leave a standardized page as it is. This might just be a confusion of terms. Angle Township is not simply an itty bitty town on the Northwest Angle, as you might be thinking, but rather a civil township which is the Northwest Angle. So, just considering each in a purely geographical sense, they are one in the same. The name Northwest Angle is used in Minnesota (and elsewhere I guess) to refer to this piece of land, and its claim to fame is...well ... you've read the page. Angle Township is an administrative/political entity, like all other civil townships in Minnesota (and many other U.S. states). Most people (except someone who lived there or someone in Government, utilites, etc.) would never have reason to call it Angle Township, even though this is its official administrative name. This is the proper place for demographic info. If you want to include demographic info (or simply an overview of it) at Northwest Angle, that's fine, but the township page should not be merged into the angle page.--Hraefen 16:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I know - as you say, they are the exact same thing. Keeping them separate is just stupid. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 19:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

• Why do you make further responses without addressing any of the issues that I have brought up? OK...I got it... you're dead set on merging and you're not going to seriously consider any of the valid points that I've brought up. Point taken. You want to start erasing township pages, even though they exist for a purpose. I still don't understand what you think this will accomplish and apparently neither do you, or maybe you just like being mysterious and non-transparent with your motives and don't enjoy explaining yourself or giving reasons for things. Blah blah blah. Don't bother responding to this unless you're gonna say something but merge! merge! merge!.--Hraefen 20:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

merge! merge! merge! --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 21:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No merge

I have three reasons for this.

• They are two unique geographical names, despite the same place. Take Byzantium, Istanbul, and Constantinople for example.
• The Northewest Angle article should refer to the information about the name, the history of the name, etc. Not about the actual place. A brief mention about the Angle should be included in the Township. IF it was to be merged it should of been done the other way.
• No consensus, as seen above. 12.220.94.199 03:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

One more note, if this article is merged, then I believe it best go to Angle Township. Because that is the correct name unless I'm mistaken. 12.220.94.199 03:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)