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Angers, in the département of Maine-et-Loire, in France, is one of Europe's most beautiful cities.
Isn't that too subjective? I think that there are thousands of beautiful cities and they cannot be classified as "beautiful", "ugly" etc.
webkid 23:20 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- I agree. I'll modify this part. Fransvannes 14:14, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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[edit] Possible misconception
In the introduction it is stated (The area surrounding Angers is more popularly known by its pre-revolutionary, provincial name, Anjou.).
This might be interpreted as Angers being the centre of Anjou, which it is not. Maybe better to phrase as Angers is located in the French region known by its pre-revolutionary, provincial name, Anjou
Mrwooster 03:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Can you give references to your claims or a clear explanation? As far as I know Angers is more or less in the center of Maine-et-Loire that has roughly the same borders as Anjou county (later promoted to duchy, Anjou extended a bit eastward from the actual borders and in the southern part of Mayenne departement (Haut Anjou Mayennais)). If not the geographical centre, at least it was the capital, economic and cultural centre of Anjou. In addition, Maine-et-Loire is still often referred to as Anjou. Blastwizard 11:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Sorry, it appears that you are right. It seems that I mixed up Anjou, with Pays de la Loire, which does encapsulate Anjou and other regions. Apologies. Mrwooster 14:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- I understand your confusion. FYI, a region in France is an administrative subdivision, at a higher level than departement, the Pays de la Loire region is made of five departements (Vendee, Loire-Atlantique, Maine-et-Loire, Mayenne and Sarthe). It is therefore misleading to use the term region when talking about geographical parts of France as they can be easily confused with the administrative terminology. In addition, it is almost coincidental that Anjou and Maine-et-Loire geographically overlap, as most administrative subdivisions of France do not have an historical meaning and were created at the French Revolution to break away from the post-feudal organisation of the territory during Ancient Regime. That is the case of Loire-Atlantique, the southern part is historically part of Vendee and the northern part was historically in Brittany. Blastwizard 17:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info, sorry about the confusion. Mrwooster 20:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- I understand your confusion. FYI, a region in France is an administrative subdivision, at a higher level than departement, the Pays de la Loire region is made of five departements (Vendee, Loire-Atlantique, Maine-et-Loire, Mayenne and Sarthe). It is therefore misleading to use the term region when talking about geographical parts of France as they can be easily confused with the administrative terminology. In addition, it is almost coincidental that Anjou and Maine-et-Loire geographically overlap, as most administrative subdivisions of France do not have an historical meaning and were created at the French Revolution to break away from the post-feudal organisation of the territory during Ancient Regime. That is the case of Loire-Atlantique, the southern part is historically part of Vendee and the northern part was historically in Brittany. Blastwizard 17:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, it appears that you are right. It seems that I mixed up Anjou, with Pays de la Loire, which does encapsulate Anjou and other regions. Apologies. Mrwooster 14:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Source of this article
I've been doing various edits on this page today and then noticed that this article is basically a copy of the article on Angers from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britanicca. Is this common practice in Wikipedia to lift stuff word for word from the 1911 EB? I know that the 1911 EB is in the public domain, but it seems that word for word copying is not the best idea unless we quote the text.
Beyond this, I think that the article needs a major overhaul. Lots has changed since 1911. I'm going to start doing some research to this effect.
--Vitamin D 2 July 2005 18:41 (UTC)
- It's accepted practice, though it's best treated as a starting point (especially as the 1911 Britannia has some rather stilted English, and inaccuracies and omissions). (Note the template at the end.) Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 2 July 2005 21:56 (UTC)
[edit] History
In the paragraph on history, the article states that in the twelth century it became part of the Angevin empire of Plantagenet Kings of England. I think this statement is the wrong way round, as it is the count of Anjou who became King of England. The accession to the throne of England by counts of Anjou, was due to the fact that Henri I didn't have a heir to the throne, so he arranged with Geoffrey Plantagenet to marry his daughter Matilda, they gave Henri I three grandchildren, the eldest of whom became Henri II. One could say that Angers is the cradle of the Angevin dynasty. --Blastwizard 02:58, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Education
Hmm, very strange, it looks like UCO is the main university; Universite d'Angers, the state run university is hardly mentioned in the article. Last time I checked UCO had 12,000 student and the state university closer to 19,000 and is hardly mentioned, seems partial or disguised advertising. Maybe someone should look into that. Blastwizard 12:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
