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Take the USA off the map. Now that Mexico took over.

Contents 1 Quebec is NOT a country 2 Status of Quebec 3 Why is Bahrain on the map? 4 A better map? 5 Further countries/subdivisions 6 Hong Kong 7 Montenegro 8 The Pacific

[edit] Quebec is NOT a country

Can the genius that titled this map not correct such a glaring error????

The map is not complete indeed. Malta and Cyprus are, for instance, missing as well.

Besides, English is not an official language in French Guyana (as is shown on the map). And (British) Guyana is not coloured. 84.193.165.47 16:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm this map is not complete yet. For example English is also spoken in Sri Lanka and Singapore (and Malaysia) as a de facto official language. Meursault2004 23:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should add Israel. English is a de facto official language. Reuvenk 20:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I take back this comment. Israel should not be shaded in (unless one of its official languages is English, but its article says only Hebrew and Arabic. See the logic re the Netherlands (below). That applies to Israel too. -Reuvenk_[T][C] 08:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. After all Israel was also a British colony (or actually a Mandate area). Meursault2004 22:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have any data on what percentage of people in these nations (Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Israel) actually use English on a daily basis? I'd be happy to add them if this info can be sourced. Iamvered 05:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Add Malawi; English is an official language. 22:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Done. Iamvered 18:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately I cannot provide any data ... Meursault2004 15:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The country of the Bahamas is an English speaking country. They should be included. --70.114.198.211 14:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. Iamvered 18:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Singapore is also has english as an official language Eraserhead1 14:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia lists Malay as the national language of Singapore. Although English may be an important language spoken by many, I would need data showing it to be a de facto national language befoe its inclusion. Iamvered 18:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Singapore has 4 official national languages (Malay, Mandarin, Tamil and English), thus Singapore should be added. See this government sponsored website [1] 19:35, 18 June 2006

Isn't de-facto used because technically the UK doesn't have English as an official language? Otherwise you'd have to add lots of other European countries with high numbers of english speakers (eg Netherlands where practically everyone speaks it.) I think you should just colour countries where its an official language (and the UK). Eraserhead1 14:59, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

"De facto" status is used because countries like the UK and USA have not granted official status to English, though it is the country's lingua franca. However, in the Netherlands, the "de facto" language is most certainly Dutch, not English, despite a high number of speakers. De facto status is used when generally speaking, the citizens of the country don't regard English as a foreign language, and high percentages of people use it daily in their work with others of their own ethnicity (not foreigners) and grow up speaking it in their homes. I am making changes to some of the other countries mentioned where this standard applies. Iamvered 18:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Please note that Malta also lists English as an official language (along with Maltese). As small as it is on the map, it is still grey. i do not know how to edit these images, so if someone could please do that, it would be great. Regards. Kilbosh 12:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

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I've changed the previous leftover bright red colour for Caribbean to the now current dark red and highlighted Malta, Rwanda, Trinidad and Tobago, Lesotho, Swaziland, Tanzania, Bahrain, Puerto Rico, Hong Kong, and an island I'm guessing is part of Palau.

The article on Mauritius claims English is an official language, but the CIA World Factbook does not. As it stands, Mauritius isn't highlighted.

A legend should probably be added to the description page, as I have a slight idea but not sure why some countries/islands have borders around them and what the different coloured borders represent. --3345345335534 01:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Missing countries - where are Ghana, Kenya, [[Uganda] and also areas such as Hong Kong and South Sudan where English is an official language?

British Council - The Future of English (pdf) (see pages 8, 10) is pretty good on distribution although nearly 10 years out of date now. In Malaysia, English is widely spoken and a small minority speak it as a first language. In Singapore English is one of four official langauges, so Singapore should be marked witha very small red dot.

The Mauritius Gowernment web site [2] says English is an official langauge Nickhk

I'm pretty sure the Dominican Republic should not be shaded, much less in the dark color. 69.137.220.179 07:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to remind that French Guiana is shaded instead of British Guyana (which is next to Venezuela).

Come to think of it, this map is really messed up... Taiwan is shaded light blue, and so is New Caledonia (of all places). I'd say about 1/4 of this map is just flat-out wrong.

So would I, but no-one can be arsed to go over all the country articles and make a new one. :) +Hexagon1 ^(t) |*̥̲̅ ̲̅†̲̅| |>̲̅-̲̅| 06:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

That is no excuse to publish a wrong map. I personally don't have the time to fix this, nor am I the expert in this area. But the creator bears the most responsibility. At least address the ones being discussed here first. I'm from Taiwan, Republic of China, and English is not an official language at any time in history. And in practice, it is used only when talking to foreigners. --Chochopk 04:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Sudan should be added (English co-official), along with Eritrea which does not have any official languages, just three working ones: Tigrinya, Arabic and English. --Drmaik 11:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think Puerto Rico should be light blue for the same reason Quebec is; most Puerto Ricans speak Spanish, not English. -- BGMan 12:40, 25 November 2006 (CST)

Removed Taiwan and fixed a couple things. by the way there is also this other english language map on wikipedia --Astrokey44 11:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

You should note that I am not the creator of this map, the colours mostly come from Matthieu Houriet (talk • contribs • count), I just heavily updated the scheme on the map. Realistically speaking, English is not used anywhere except ~  United Kingdom,  Ireland,  United States,  Canada,  South Africa,  Australia,  New Zealand and minor islands for day-to-day communication. +Hexagon1 ^(t) 03:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you think the three other african nations outside south africa which are currently dark blue should also be light blue? for instance from checking the coutnry articles, Tswana language is said to be more used in Botswana than english, Luganda language in Uganda and Chichewa language in Malawi --Astrokey44 04:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Recoloured. +Hexagon1 ^(t) 05:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Quebec is problematic - French is official in Quebec, but English is an official language of Canada, which includes Quebec. Furthermore, the majority of Quebeckers speak english, and a sizable minority are anglophones. At the least, it should be light blue , but realistically, if politically dangerous, Quebec is part of Canada, English is an official language of Canada, ergo ... WilyD 02:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

That's easy, light blue (official, but not primary). +Hexagon1 ^(t) 03:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this makes sense having it light blue --Astrokey44 04:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Please, see the comments below under "Status of Quebec". English is an official language at the federal level in Canada, meaning that all federal agencies/departments, wherever they may operate in Canada, are required to provide services in English. However, that doesn't make English an official language in the province of Quebec per se. Under Canada's federal system, jurisdiction over language matters within a province's territory lies with the provincial legislature and, in Quebec, the local legislature, known as the National Assembly, has passed legislation recognizing French as the province's sole official language.

I think Quebec should remain light blue, as on a federal level, English is recognized as an official language of the whole nation. Would you care to point us in the direction of the legislation that places linguistic jurisdiction in the hands of the provinces? +Hexagon1 ^(t) 08:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Technically speaking, both the provinces and the federal government are empowered under the Constitution of Canada to pass legislation on language. To the extent that language laws affect certain specific classes of subjects like civil and property rights, education, municipal institutions, or provincial court proceedings, they fall under the exclusive jurisdiction of the provinces according to Sections 92 and 94 of the Constitution Act 1867. The federal Parliament may however pass language-related legislation in areas that fall under federal jurisdiction, e.g. the provision of services by federal agencies or the regulation of trade and commerce (examples of language-related federal legislation include the Official Languages Act and the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act).

As of today, English and French are constitutionally entrenched as official languages both at the federal level and in the province of New Brunswick, under the terms of Sections 16 to 20 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. As explained before however, official bilingualism at the federal level (which applies to federal government agencies, federal courts and the federal Parliament) does not automatically imply official bilingualism in Québec or any other province for that matter (just like in U.S. law for example, one would distinguish between the States and the United States as two separate legal personalities). As we've seen before, under Loi 101, French is currently the sole official language in the province of Québec . The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is part of Canada's constitution, extends however certain special protections to the English-speaking minority in Québec that override any provincial legislation to the contrary, including Loi 101 as originally enacted. For example, S.21 of the Charter confirms the previous provisions under S.133 of the Constitution Act 1867 that allow English to be used in the Québec legislature and in Québec courts and require that Québec laws be also published in English. Likewise, Section 23 extends to Canadian citizens who have been educated in English inside Canada the right to send their children to English-speaking schools. Furthermore, it also requires that the Québec government fund English-speaking public schools to cater for the needs of the province's Anglophone minority. Note that the same guarantees that S. 17 and 23 extend to the English-speaking minority in Québec also apply, for example, to the French-speaking minority in Manitoba, without necessarily making French an official language of that province (just as they don't make English an official language in Québec !!). For further information, I suggest you read the Wikipedia articles on Bilingualism in Canada and Legal dispute over Quebec's language policy. Mbruno 11:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Status of Quebec

Just a minor comment: according to the legend, the "light blue" color is used for countries/regions where English is an official but nonetheless not the primary language. Technically speaking, however, English is not an official language in Quebec, as Quebec law recognizes French only as an official language at the provincial level. English is still used though in an official capacity by federal agencies that operate in Quebec. I believe Quebec should still be colored in light blue as it contains a sizeable native English-speaking minority (something around 10 % or so of the total population of the province). However, the definition of the color codes on the map may have to be changed to accomodate Quebec. Mbruno 14:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, feel free to add Quebec as an exception. +Hexagon1 ^(t) 13:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

If you're going to colour Quebec light blue, then you should do the same for some provinces of South Africa. There are large areas in South Africa where English is not the primary language, even though most people know it (there are 11 official languages). See here and here. --Esn 02:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The fact is that Quebec is coloured differently but the legend for the map indicates countries where English is spoken. Canada is one nation and should be coloured as such. If the breakdown needs to go further then that should be a different entry in Wikipedia. Please adjust. 199.212.129.2 22:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)McKell in Toronto.

the legend doesn't make much sense. what about a country where the language is official, and primary. its not de facto, because it is in legislation that its official. i'll just asume de facto also includes primary and official. so going on this assumption, quebec is not on this, at all. period. quebec has been using the notwithstanding clause to make french the only official language in quebec. the notqithstanding clause allows provinces to contradict the canadian constitution, including the part about french and english being official. as for the rest of canada, well every province recognizes both english and french (and then some) so remove quebec from this map. it does not recognize english. ...Patrick (talk, contributions) 04:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The map does specificially say that it illustrates countries where english is spoken; last I checked Quebec is not a country.198.186.64.22 03:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

agreed. one of 2 things need to happen. 1) quebec will be coloured dark blue like the rest of canada as it is not a country by itself. or 2) the map's description will be changed to "places where english...." or "regions where english...." or "political entities where english....," in which case all the different regions of english speaking countries will have to be recoloured. ...Patrick (talk, contributions) 04:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is Bahrain on the map?

And some others I think... excuse if this is a repost.--Greasysteve13 10:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A better map?

Could this be transferred to another map, preferably one that has dots for small countries and territories? Some small islands are wrongly highlighted. Réunion is blue instead of Mauritius, and I think the same is true of Martinique in place of St Lucia, although it's hard to tell: which is the exact point. Bastin 14:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Further countries/subdivisions

The following countries and subdivisions use English as an official language as secondary languages:

Countries: East Timor, Eritrea

Subdivisions: Hong Kong, Kosovo-Metohija, Southern Sudan

Furthermore, the Seychelles use English as their primary lanugage. Bastin 14:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hong Kong

What about Hong Kong, its not on that map!?!??! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.30.141.164 (talk) 15:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Montenegro

Hey everyone, I just wanted to add that the nation of Serbia and Montenegro is on this map even though Montenegro declared independence and is a recognized nation!UberVash 02:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Pacific

The blurb beneath the picture says that Fiji, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Niue, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Pitcairn, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tokelau, Tonga, Tuvalu, and Vanuatu "all have English as an official language". First, I'm not sure that's accurate. All of these countries have an anglophone heritage, having been colonised by the UK, the US, Australia or New Zealand, but I'd need to check whether English is indeed an official language everywhere. Second, I'm removing Western Samoa, which was the former name of Samoa (also included). Third (and most importantly), some of these countries don't appear on the map. There's Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, PNG, Tuvalu and the Solomons, all in light blue, but Pitcairn and most of Kiribati are missing (for instance) - and, unless my eyesight is failing me, Vanuatu appears to be in grey. Aridd 16:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't speak for other Pacific island countries but Fiji should be in dark blue. Not only is English one of the official languages, it is also the primary language used for business, education, and amongst other sectors of the society. 210.7.0.165 18:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)