User talk:Anchoress

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Greetings. On my userpage I'm the cocksucker who doesn't give a fuck, but on this page, civility rules. Please be polite; all other rules do not apply (except the one just below).

Archives Archive 1: 2005 Archive 2: January–July 2006 Archive 3: August-December 2006

Contents 1 Yrgh vs Juppiter 2 Double nucleus 3 Caribbean cuisine 4 Re: Pregnancy fetishism 5 Buenos Aires 6 Cat:csd 7 RE: Help over at CAT:CSD 8 Random Smiley Award 9 Template 10 Er over the top 11 Need help please 12 Whoops 13 Go me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!!1 14 Removed prod on Natalie Talson‎; 15 UCFD 16 Cleanup templates 17 WikiProject Environment 18 Eh, kids 19 Thanks for Your Understanding 20 somnambulist's appreciation for the funambulist 21 help desk reply 22 Pinned

[edit] Yrgh vs Juppiter

Hi. Thanks for posting that link to the personal attacks noticeboard. My time here on WP has thus far been fairly sedate, so I didn't realize there was such a thing. (Oops)

(Just a bit of background: Juppiter and other parties have publicly apologized to Yrgh, but he has refused to accept them as sincere. It looks to be shaping up into something nasty in the end. Oh well...) --SandChigger 02:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Happy to pass on what I know. Anchoress 03:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Double nucleus

I can attempt to write an article on VCC 128 (which I will probably identify by its UGCA number), but it will take be time to understand the science behind the press release. Dr. Submillimeter 02:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to take so long to reply to you. I read your note to me but for some reason I didn't respond. But that's cool, thanks for the helpful reply and action, and I'll look out for it! Anchoress 17:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Caribbean cuisine

Before you tag something as a copyvio, make sure you have a look at the page history. It's very clear from the page history that that article is the work of various editors spanning at least 5 years. In addition, the page you said it was copied from clearly credited Wikipedia (although not enough for them not to be in violation of the GFDL). Please be more careful when tagging articles - almost all our articles are mirrored somewhere. Guettarda 14:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I certainly will continue to make every effort to be careful about copyvio tags, and I ask that you take a generous, open-minded approach to your communication. I did look at the page history, quite carefully actually, and I did not see what you saw. Furthermore, I looked carefully at the site I cited as the copyvio source and I did not see a credit to Wikipedia. I thank you to assume goodwill of your fellow editors, we are just doing our best. Anchoress 14:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Pregnancy fetishism

Thank you very much, anchoress. I'm particularly a newbie on wikipedia and found the pregnancy fetishism article, which is shocking. To know an actual pregnancy experience (I had 3 children, 2 sons and a daughter) will tell them striaght forward. I hope they got disgusted and rather not obsess over her hypersexually, but I truly feel pregnancy has a beauty attached to it by the greatness of god or whatever you believe in, it's all the same in the mystique and sanctity of women giving birth to new babies to the world. For starters, Pregnancy isn't to look "sexually abnormal", a major obnoxious theme in prego fetish web sites and chat forums. All right have a good day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.14.1 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 26 January 2007.

No problem, and good luck. Anchoress 14:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Buenos Aires

It was lots of fun! Thank you for asking. I have a particularly vivid memory of the start of Christmas Day. We had been for dinner and were outside trying to get a taxi-an impossible task. Anyway, no sooner did midnight arrive than people began to celebrate the arrival of Christmas by throwing fire-crackers from their balconies. And what crackers they were: it was as if the city had suddenly descended into a war! Talking of war, I managed to pick up basic tango steps with the help of some very nice Argentinian gentlemen. Sigh-it all seems so long ago now. Still, ever forward. I will be spending most of February in Mexico City, another new experience. Best wishes. Clio the Muse 13:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, sounds awesome. You lucky duck, getting to travel so much. Anchoress 14:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:csd

Couple notes:

1. Categories can't be watched. There's an alternate listing for CSD that can.
2. Did you look at my logs? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 18:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok, thanks for the info. And no, I didn't. What are they? Anchoress 18:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

If the page can't be watched, how come there's a 'watch' tab at the top? Anchoress 18:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The "watch" link lets you watch changes made to the "category page", not the placement/removal of the pages from the category. Cbrown1023 talk 21:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... I know that already. ;-) What's your point? Anchoress 21:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I've already been knocking out 30-40 entries a day at Cat:csd... in fact that and PROD have been pretty much all I've done here since I got my mop and bucket. Not much more I can do... they get added faster than I can clear them out.--Isotope23 18:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the info. Anchoress 14:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

For logs: Night Gyr (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's news to me. Cool! Anchoress 14:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Help over at CAT:CSD

Hi, and congrats on your promotion! Per this discussion, I'm dropping a friendly note to some of the recently-promoted admins requesting help with speedy deletions. I am not an administrator, so if you don't feel comfortable diving into deletions - or if you need more info - please don't come to me, but I'm sure that Cyde Weys would be happy to guide you if you want to help. Any help is great, but I'm sure that Cyde and others would deeply appreciate it if you could put the page on your watchlist and do a bit of work there on a regular basis? Maybe weekly? Thanks in advance! Anchoress 18:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the template message. I have read the thread already and am very busy at CSD since the promotion. I hope You detect the sarcasm in my reply. Best, feydey 18:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, no sarcasm detected. ;-) Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I also appreciated the template message. However, I've determined myself to be unqualified for the time being to do speedy deletions, and think its best if a more inclusionist-minded administrator takes a look at some of these pages before giving them the axe. Savidan 18:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

No probs, thanks for the reply. Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

If you look at my deletion log, you'll see that I've already been active in CSD work. I even wrote myself a JavaScript tool to help stick in the correct CSD reason. =) -- Gogo Dodo 19:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, sweet! I learnt something new today, how to look at user's delete logs. Cool! Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the other users above, I am very active in CSD and AfD. I have also added direct links to the template with pre-selected warning to speed up the Speedy Deletion progress. Although I am I currently busy in real life, I am helping. Cbrown1023 talk 21:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Cb. Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. CAT:CSD is definitely going to be my first sysop priority, because there is indeed a huge problem there.--Yannismarou 08:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the problem is temporarily solved; good work everyone! Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm typically fairly active in WP:UCFD, and though I have been distracted lately from WP:CFD work by other Wikipedia things, I intend to be more active there as my next priority. However, I'd be glad to help in the apparent current "crisis", though I tend to stay away from Images... - jc37 10:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and for giving that task a go. Anchoress 14:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smiley Award

--TomasBat (Talk) 13:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! Anchoress 14:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Hello, Anchoress. I stole your template from the top of this page and put it on my talk page, but left you an exact copy. I managed to make mine look less appealing by randomly assigning a color without hitting preview. It could have been worse, I guess. Take care. ---Sluzzelin 17:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

OK. :-)) I have no idea what you're talking about, so Happy Friday! Anchoress 17:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it is a Happy Friday, so back at you! I always get these terms mixed up: I meant the box(?) with the message "To allow other users...", not the template. ---Sluzzelin 18:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Right... I think you used the right word; you mean my notice at the top of the page v/v keeping convos together? I just didn't get what you meant by taking it and leaving a copy? Sorry, I put that thing up almost a year ago I think, and I don't even remember where I got it. Is it your template, and you changed your version and subst'd the old one on my page so it wouldn't change? Colour me confused (radioactive lemon confused lol). Anchoress 18:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, this is my fault. I didn't wish to confuse ... In fact I merely copied it from here, but wanted to see myself as the original's owner leaving you the fake, but that was pure TGIF lightheadedry. I did want to notify you. I will waste your time no longer and look forward to reading more contributions at the desks!. ---Sluzzelin 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no probs! Anchoress 18:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Er over the top

I don't think that was a very good idea to write in a public place, FYI. This isn't a disagreement with the facts, per se, but an experienced user expecting backlash. You might want to consider not participating - I'm opting out myself. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. You're talking about the AN/I thread? No problem. Anchoress 18:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so I removed it. Why exactly do you think it wasn't a good idea? I don't care about backlash in any way, shape or form, BTW. Anchoress 18:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

(ec) I was gunna say something about it too. The problem with making guesses about the cause of someone's behavior is that it's just way too easy for things to get ugly. And, they are just guesses, be they correct or not. We can't know what's in someone's head. Best to focus purely on observable behavior and keep speculations to ourselves. I realize you're just giving your opinions and trying to help, and I hope nobody jumps down your throat about it, but I'd seriously consider ammending that remark if I were you. Friday (talk) 18:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

PS- Oh, I see I was a bit late. Oh well, for what it's worth, I think your remarks were mostly fine, except for the speculation bits. Friday (talk) 18:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

EC. Well if you read my response to Hipocrite, I already removed it so I don't need to amend it. FWIW I absolutely don't mind backlash for giving my opinion, and I did say at the bottom of my post that I realised I was stepping into uncharted waters. I gave my opinion about something, I am happy to defend it or apologise for it. And also FWIW I think there is ample evidence that Lc is OCD (his multiple minor adjustments of entries), paranoid (his reactions to criticism), narcissistic (his grandstanding, the way he talks 'to the masses' on his talkpage), and suffering from a persecution complex (see above). But... bottom line is I had already removed it when you posted, so I guess unless a bunch of other people don't notice that or comment anyways, the matter is closed. Anchoress 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree fully with Friday and I think removing it was an A+ action. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

OK. Anchoress 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm so youre a psychaitrist as well as an editor?-And Im a obsessive-compulsive, paranoid narcissist with a persecution complex? Is that a personal attack or just your musings? So what treatment would you recommend Doctor?-Light current 19:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

That comment was deleted by the author. I suggest you let it drop. Not every battle needs to be fought, and not every fight needs to be won - however, whoever walks away from this battle first will definetly win. Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

And I suggest you drop. preferably from a great height 8-) Oh and I never win-- havent you learnt that yet. The Admins ALWAYS win--Light current 19:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Given that the cat is out of the bag, it's probably appropriate for you to apologize to LC for the comment that started this all - honestly, I would have been a little offended if it were about me. I was hopeful he wasn't going to see it and we could bygones the whole incident, but obviously we can't. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course. I wholeheartedly and unreservedly apologise if Light current or anyone was the least bit offended by the content or phrasing of the comment I removed. Anchoress 20:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need help please

I tried to fix a stupid mistake I made when I made the two archives at top, but it doesn't seem to have worked. Anchoress 19:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the redirects Talk:Anchoress/Archive02 and Talk:Anchoress/Archive01 that were a result of the page moves. Is that all you needed? Friday (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you so much. Can anyone do that or only admins? Anchoress 19:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Links also fixed. —Centrx→talk • 19:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot both of you. I was in the middle of doing that when you did it, Centrx. Anchoress 19:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Only admins can technically delete (something which IMO needs fixed), but if you ever accidentally make a page, you can tag it with {{db-author}} and somebody will delete it. Friday (talk) 19:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, and for the quick responses. I can't believe how quick this was fixed! Anchoress 19:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops

Hi. Sorry to rope you into a chat session there, just get so little opportunity to "talk" to ya! Since you are keeping your $0.02 to yourself (smile). --Justanother 21:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey NP. Anchoress 22:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Go me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!!1

		The Editor's Barnstar
		I'm giving MYSELF this barnstar for reducing my watchlist from 700+ to 432. The hard way. By actually looking at each page to determine if it still needed to be there. Anchoress 03:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed prod on Natalie Talson‎;

Yup--newbie error on my part. Addere 02:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No probs; good luck and happy editing. Anchoress 02:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UCFD

I have nominated a category you created, Category:Wikipedians who aren't administrators, for deletion. You can contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion. Thanks, VegaDark 21:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the notification! Anchoress 22:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup templates

Just to let you know that most cleanup templates, like "unreferenced", "fact", "cleanup" etc., are best not "subst"ed. See WP:SUBST for more details. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 16:32 27 February 2007 (GMT).

I don't subst the fact templates. As to the others, thanks for the info and I'll keep it in mind. Anchoress 02:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Environment

I have created a barnstar for Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment. Please visit the talk page to vote for the barnstar since there are no votes for 2 months. OhanaUnited 20:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Will try to later. Anchoress 02:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eh, kids

... vandalising Wikipedia during study hall. I rolled that one back; drop me a note if he does it again and you want me to protect the page. And you were right about database lag! Cheers ... :) Antandrus (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

K. I wasn't sure if it was better to just correct the poopiness or revert the whole thing. Cheers back~! Anchoress 19:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for Your Understanding

When I make a mistake, and I'm called on it, I never hesitate to admit my guilt. Yes, lowering myself to the level of others was wrong, and I admit that mistake.

Yet there's a serious injustice going on here at Wikipedia. Certain users are pretty much getting away with murder when it comes to incivility, yet the admins seem to be oblivious about it all. I actually got blocked today for calling someone a coward, which, admittedly, was wrong. Yet take a look at the shockingly disgusting exchange of insults on the RefDesk talk page in the discussion entitled "Not a soapbox". Why are certain users allowed to attack others as being "intellectually impoverished wankers", among dozens of other equally disgusting insults, without even getting so much as a warning, while, at the same time, my referring to someone as a "coward" (which, though admittedly insulting, is not the least bit vulgar) gets me blocked?

I hope you can understand how frustrating it can be to be forced to play on such an uneven playing field. Yes it was a mistake to call hipocrite a coward, I just lost my cool.

I just only wish that everyone were subject to the same rules. I honestly believe that if that were the case, much of this nonsensical hostility would disappear. The admins just don't seem to realize, but in ignoring Clio's insulting remarks, and given her young age, they're creating a monster. They're basically telling her that she can insult others to her heart's content and not get the slightest warning about it, because, as we all know, she's always right, and everyone else is always wrong.

These are the worst possible of messages to be sending a obnoxious, arrogant 24 year old girl. She's obviously intelligent, and one would hope, for her sake at least, that her intelligence be tempered with discipline and humility. If only an admin would send her a warning: "Look, Clio, you've got to tone it down, your insults of others are just as innapropriate as those directed at you. If you're criticized, that doesn't invariably mean that the world is out to get you in some sort "witch-hunt". You've got to learn to show some respect for others if you expect them to show respect for you". That's all.

Like I said, she's a very intelligent girl with a great deal of potential. And I wish her the best in achieving that potential. Yet she's desperately lacking in social skills. If someone doesn't finally put their foot down, put her in her place, and tell her when she's acting inappropriately, she'll never achieve that potential, and that would be a shame.

But there's only so much I can do. After all, I've done quite well for myself and live a happy and successful life. It's her life and happiness that are at stake here. I can try here and there, but without any support, and on top of that getting blocked for a silly mistake really doesn't help.

Anyway, I've gone on too long. I'd be really interested in your feedback, though.

Write back if you can.

Lewis Loomis 06:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Loomis51:

Thanks a lot for the reply, and your gracious actions. I know what you mean about 'taking the coaching'; it's been my operating philosophy at WP (and my compliance is pretty good, lol), and I think it's kept me sane.

As to your other concern, well, I don't have much to say because I haven't been following it closely enough for analysis. But since you've asked for my opinion, I'll at least say what is on my mind. To put it bluntly, I think you should drop it v/v Clio; as a wise person once told me, "There's no cheese down that hole." I'm not commenting on who's right, who's wrong, who started it, etc, but I implore you to be the one to finish it. Just drop it, file it under Written Off Debts, and continue editing constructively.

If Clio irritates you that much (and I have had similar experiences with editors), unless you are willing to pursue it formally, just, for your own sanity, gloss over her contributions, discipline yourself to ignore her talk page entries, and ignore her. I've done that with some editors and it saved my Wikilife. There are many editors whose intellect and experience are appropriate for WP but whose personalities are not. IMO I am not an appropriate judge of that distinction, and neither are you. If an editor can't hack the community, they will crash and burn in due time without your help. Don't be that person. (The one who crashes and burns). You are well on your way, IMO, to becoming the person other editors shake their heads about (as I did with two editors recently) and say to themselves, 'That editor is either going to flounce in a huff or be permablocked.' Stay frosty.

To put it another way, I think one of the first rules of functioning happily on WP is to accept that WP is grossly unfair, manifestly so. I'm not commenting on the unfairness or perceived unfairness of your particular situation, I want to be very clear on that. I'm just saying in general. And the abiliy of an editor to accept that fact is IMO the greatest indicator of whether or not they'll be able to function on WP and contribute constructively.

I wish you well in your RL and WL, and I hope we intersect in happier circumstances. IMO that depends on you. You cannot ever control another's behaviour, only your own. Ruminating over this issue can do nothing but strangle your WP contributions and poison your RL. Don't let it do that.

And finally, I feel that some of your comments regarding Clio are inappropriate; "obnoxious, arrogant", "desperately lacking in social skills". Whether they are accurate or not, they are unwelcome on my talkpage. Would you consider striking them? To comment on the general thrust, it's not WP's place to assist in social development; if you feel something is lacking, you will have to trust in life in general to deliver that message. But my personal advice to you is just to stop speculating, ruminating, drawing conclusions, etc, and move on. Best wishes. Anchoress 16:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Anchoress, I give you full credit for inspiring me to make a rather bold step. I'm sure if you check out Clio's talk page, you'll see what I'm talking about. I really don't care how she responds. Perhaps she'll accept my apologies with grace, or perhaps she'll do a little victory dance, believing that she "won" and I "lost" some sort of fictitious battle. The point is that I apologized. Her reaction to it will be irrelevant to me. All of this is not to say that I don't believe that she acted innapropriately in offending me, I've just come to realize that the two issue must be separated from each other. I'm only in control of my own words, not hers. As for her words, if she decides to apologize I'll certainly accept it with grace. If she doesn't, well, I guess there's nothing I can do about that.

Thanks for the inspiration, Anchoress. I suppose it's only fitting that the one to finally inspire me to eat crow and offer peace whatever the result, would be a fellow Canadian. I'm not sure what part of the country you're from, but I'll end this message with the following most profound of words: GO HABS!!!! :--)

Loomis 23:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Lewis

Congrats Loomis51 on being the better man. IMO there's no downside to rising above. I wish both of you well in turning over your two, completely separate, never-to-intersect leaves. Good luck contributing, and I am very happy to have inspired you. Go Canucks! Habs are good too. And BTW I don't look at it as eating crow; we are well-known for both politeness and picking our battles. Cheers! Anchoress 03:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh well. Not the best possible of responses on her part, but certainly not the worst.

By the way, yes, you may have been my inspiration and you should of course feel great about that, but with it comes a down side. Now I'll naturally turn to you to bitch and moan every time I'm forced to bite my tongue and act polite! Just kidding, that's not your responsibility. Though I will likely have to get myself some sort of punching bag for every time I'm driven absolutely mad by yet another damned non-sequitur of a poem!

I hope you understand I'm just kidding around. I'm sure I'll eventually learn to find my happy-place all on my own. :--)

Thanks again,

Loomis 12:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] somnambulist's appreciation for the funambulist

You choose to answer some of the slipperier questions at the desks, sometimes subtly in the background, yet steadily and gracefully, just like Macke's tightrope walker here. And you even manage to pull off a Wallendas act from time to time, balancing the other funambulists, while keeping the question balanced as well. Your stunts are greatly appreciated by this member of the audience. Happy spring to you. ---Sluzzelin talk 00:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much! You made my week!!!! Anchoress 04:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help desk reply

Hi! Thanks for the reply and links on the help desk. I got your reply yesterday about 2 hours after you left it I think. I think that's good advice you gave. --Rebroad 15:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Good luck! Anchoress 22:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinned

		Calvin's father award
		Sluzzelîn, hereby awards you the barnstar for Good Humor for all that wonderful nonsense on sense. Please expect my bill for giggoliposuction (made necessary by your answer at the Miscellaneous Desk). --- Sluzzelin

Tee hee, thanks. If your cosmetic surgeon has any difficulty performing the giggoliposuction, s/he might consider prefacing the procedure with a Bromide Liposensing X-Ray Test, which uses googolipid helper cells (Helper-Gs) to find and organise the giggolipids. Good luck! Anchoress 00:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)