Talk:Amon Göth
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I've changed the description of the Image:Gothwrifle.jpg to "Amon Göth on the balcony of his house at Plaszow in the summer of 1943" The previous description was "Amon Göth during sniper practice at Plaszow in the summer of 1943" and in the article the shooting practice is mentioned as sniping Jews from the balcony of his house depicted in the movie Schindler's List. However, Internet Movie Database says that "Amon Goeth did not shoot random prisoners from the balcony of his house. His house still stands, and the location of the camp is still known. The camp is on the other side of a hill, so Goeth could not have seen any prisoners from his balcony. However, Goeth did shoot prisoners at random from the top of the hill, and he did parade around his balcony with a rifle." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108052/goofs Jogers
- Here's an article from the London Times dated January 27, 2005 that states that Goeth did shoot people from his balcony. Also the quote you reference stating otherwise does not appear on the page you have linked.--198.93.113.49 17:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Other crimes
From the article:
- although this grim portrayal (where, for shooting practice, he sniped Jews from the balcony of his house) showed only a subset of his crimes.
What were his other crimes? The article points out the Schindler's List fails to deal with them, but the article doesn't describe them either.--198.93.113.49 17:20, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Regarding Other Crimes
The article does fail to elucidate on "other crimes" but the indictment against Goeth by the Supreme National Tribunal of Poland in 1946 was crystal clear on what these crimes were:
"(1) The accused as commandant of the forced labour camp at Plaszow (Cracow) from 11th February, 1943, till 13th September, 1944, caused the death of about 8,000 inmates by ordering a large number of them to be exterminated.
(2) As a SS-Sturmführer the accused carried out on behalf of SS-Sturmbannführer Willi Haase the final closing down of the Cracow ghetto. This liquidation action which began on 13th March, 1943, deprived of freedom about 10,000 people who had been interned in the camp of Plaszow, and caused the death of about 2,000.
(3) As a SS-Hauptsturmführer the accused carried out on 3rd September, 1943, the closing down of the Tarnow ghetto. As a result of this action an unknown number of people perished, having been killed on the spot in Tarnow ; others died through asphyxiation during transport by rail or were exterminated in other camps, in particular at Auschwitz.
(4) Between September, 1943, and 3rd February, 1944, the accused closed down the forced labour camp at Szebnie near Jaslo by ordering the inmates to be murdered on the spot or deported to other camps, thus causing the death of several thousand persons.
(5) Simultaneously with the activities described under (1) to (4) the accused deprived the inmates of valuables, gold and money deposited by them, and appropriated those things. He also stole clothing, furniture and other movable property belonging to displaced or interned people, and sent them to Germany. The value of stolen goods and in particular of valuables reached many million zloties at the rate of exchange in force at the time. For those acts the accused was arrested by the German authorities on 13th September, 1944, but he was not brought before any German court. He was later extradited to Poland by the Allied authorities in Germany."
How Goeth's daughter can still maintain any regard for her war criminal father truly beggars belief...
[edit] War Crimes
We have a user who is removing Amon Goth from the Nazi war criminals category, stating he was never convicted and therefore should not be listed. Amon Goth was convicted in 1946 of war crimes and crimes against humanity and sentenced to death. He was executed shortly thereafter. It is not POV that Goth was a war criminal, it is documented legal fact. -Husnock 13:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
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- You should add that he was "convicted" after a show trial in Communist Poland. So how credible is such a conviction, anyway?! With your logic one also should list those Germans that were executed for murdering Poles for Katyn as "war criminals".
Ich stimme überein. 147.153.251.188Babsi147.153.251.188 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)16.00 Uhr 23.August 2006 (Mnt)
This does illustrate some of the complexities. In this particular case, he was both convicted and is nearly universally agreed to be guilty. Some of the others convicted by the Soviet-influenced Polish authorities are more disputed. In any case, the article currently nicely sidesteps the issue by giving a more specific and undisputable category, Category:Executed Nazi concentration camp personnel. --Delirium 03:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Birthdate
Goeth's birthdate has been listed as Nov. 12 for over two years now, but this was a swap of the month and day numbers, according to SS records:
The Camp Men, French L. MacLean, 1999, Schiffer Publishing, Ltd., ISBN 0-7643-0636-7
NAME: Göth (Goeth), Ammon
NATIONAL ARCHIVE FILE: A3343 SSO-020A
BIRTHDAY: 11 December 1908
BIRTHPLACE: Vienna, Austria
RANK: SS-Hauptsturmführer
SS NUMBER: 43673
NSDAP NUMBER: 510764
MARITAL STATUS: Married
RELIGION: Catholic
HIGHEST DECORATION: None Listed
WAFFEN-SS: No
NOTE: Kommandant at Plaszow; member of Operation Reinhard, Lublin 1942.
EXECUTED: 13 September 1946
CAMP SERVICE: Plaszow. 1943-1944
JamieMcCarthy 15:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
