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Contents 1 Looking at the GA criteria 1.1 Articles dealing with fiction 1.2 Quick peer review 2 Glasses 3 Images for the bios 4 Images cont. 5 Citation problem 6 Error in tarnsfer reason 7 Image bumped 8 Image linking? 9 shadow galactica 10 Top Section 11 Attack image 12 Ami wasn't in the original proposition? 13 Music - storage purposes 14 RE: GA Critera 15 Re: Attack Image 16 PGSM Image 17 Good article? 18 Special powers and items 19 GA review

[edit] Looking at the GA criteria

I've copy-pasted the relevant stuff here, struck out the ones I think we cover well and written some comments beside the ones I'm a little fuzzy on.

1. It is well written. In this respect:

(a) it has compelling prose, and is readily comprehensible to non-specialist readers; - Are we sure it's understandable to a non-fan?

(b) it follows a logical structure, introducing the topic and then grouping together its coverage of related aspects; where appropriate, it contains a succinct lead section summarising the topic, and the remaining text is organised into a system of hierarchical sections (particularly for longer articles);

(c) it follows the Wikipedia Manual of Style including the list guideline; - Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Foreign_terms suggests we may need to italicise "Senshi"-related terms, and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) may be useful in general. The Embedded list thingie probably could refer to the stats section, Senshi powers and the music section. Do we use lists excessively?

(d) necessary technical terms or jargon are briefly explained in the article itself, or an active link is provided. - Are they all explained?

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect:

(a) it provides references to any and all sources used for its material;

(b) the citation of its sources using an accepted form of inline citation is required (this criterion is disputed by editors on Physics and Mathematics pages who have proposed a subject-specific guideline on citation, as well as some other editors — see talk page); - We will, once we source those last few things in the page...

(c) sources should be selected in accordance with the guidelines for reliable sources; - See especially Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English "English-language sources should be provided whenever possible, and should always be used in preference to foreign-language sources (assuming equal quality and reliability)." and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Popular_culture_and_fiction. "When a substantial body of material is available the best material available is acceptable, especially when comments on its reliability are included."

(d) it contains no elements of original research. - we need to be careful here.

3. It is broad in its coverage. In this respect :

(a) it addresses all major aspects of the topic (this requirement is slightly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required by WP:FAC, and allows shorter articles and broad overviews of large topics to be listed);

(b) it stays focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary details (no non-notable trivia). - We may have to assert why some sections are needed in the prose? - eg. Music, proposed Items and Stats

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy. In this respect:

(a) viewpoints are represented fairly and without bias;

(b) all significant points of view are fairly presented, but not asserted, particularly where there are or have been conflicting views on the topic. - I really don't know about criteria number 4. It confuses me in this context.  :P

5. It is stable, i.e. it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of ongoing edit wars. This does not apply to vandalism and protection or semi-protection as a result of vandalism, or proposals to split/merge the article content.

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic. In this respect:

(a) the images are tagged and have succinct and descriptive captions; - Maybe? I dunno - maybe I'm just losing confidence in our captions.  ;)

(b) a lack of images does not in itself prevent an article from achieving Good Article status.

(c) each of the images has a fair use rationale

[edit] Articles dealing with fiction

Articles dealing with fiction should follow the guidelines for writing about fiction. In short, articles dealing with fictional subjects, characters, objects, or locations, must establish and discuss significance outside the "fictional universe," together with the process of authorship. The focus of the article should remain on discussing the subject as fiction within the context of "our" universe, not on establishing it as a "real" topic in a fictional universe; otherwise, the article may be better placed in one of the many fictional-universe specific wikis. - Do we do this when appropriate?

We may want to look at other GA fictional characters - James Bond (character) — Darth Vader — Donut (Red vs. Blue) — Lord Voldemort — Max Rebo Band — Obi-Wan Kenobi — Sarlacc to get an idea of what a GA fictional character article looks like. Phew! Comments would be very much appreciated. - Malkinann 08:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

2c first part can be over-rided. The Tokyopop translations are not reliable in giving the kind of source material we need to support statements. Alex Glover also admits fault with his own translations, thus the best translation for stats and other things tends to be the original manga or shinzoubon. I can fairly well contest that the TP manga is a pretty awful representation of the manga and what it stands for. It's not just individual words, but plot changes, and meanings also change. There are censorship issues as well. Besides the stereotypical teenager register it also has lots of other problems as well. If need be, I'll present my links for Japanese language translation (and dictionaries) with Alex Glover's... Given that the TP manga is not a translation word for word, it can safely be nixed out.--Hitsuji Kinno 09:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Note that James Bond is former GA. I do like the descriptions on Voldemort and then that idea to model it in that fashion for these articles might be a good move... anyone disagree? --Hitsuji Kinno 00:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Bondy must have been delisted recently, then. How do you plan to use the "descriptions on Voldemort" modelling in our articles? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, you see. Might just be easier to go ahead and do it, and then explain later.- Malkinann 11:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quick peer review

Since you all have done a very nice work in this article, here is a quick peer review about this article. Hopefully it will be helpful.

• The article has 6 lists. Most should become prose, especially the statistics one, as lists are discouraged.
• Image:Sailor Merkur 01.jpg is too big, tagged as {{fair use reduce}}. Fair use rationale for the image is somehow weak. Image:Bssm2.png, Image:Ami live action 3.jpg and Image:Mercury-21.jpg have weak rationales. Image:M princessmercury0.gif is too big as well, and wrongly licensed (that is neither a TV screenshot, nor can be released under GFDL as scanning a magazine does not grant you rights over the produced image). Image:Amimanga.jpg has no fair use rationale. Image:MercuryFont.PNG is a special case. The logo itself must be copyrighted by someone, so I am not sure a copy can be created and released for free. I would suggest sending it to Wikipedia:Copyright problems.
• Bolding should be used only in the first appearance of the article name in the lead, not everywhere per [[Clean up: the subject of the article should be mentioned in bold at the first natural place per guidelines.
• The first paragraph of the Profile section is written in an in-universe perspective.
• Due lack of citations, it appears that there is a lot of original research/speculation (an excellent trait in a soldier in example).
• The text flow is somewhat halty. Think like a casual user who has never read about this character or the show itself. The first line of the lead says Ami Mizuno (水野亜美, Mizuno Ami) is a fictional character, a Sailor Senshi, one of the central characters in the Sailor Moon metaseries. Would a casual user know what Sailor Senshi means? Maybe metaseries? The second sentence reads She is known as Amy Mizuno in the English adaptation of the manga and second half of the anime; in the first half of the anime, she seems to have been Amy Anderson. Would a casual user know what manga or anime means? I would suggest something like:

  Ami Mizuno (水野亜美, Mizuno Ami) is a fictional character from the Sailor Moon series of Japanese comics or manga and animated cartoons or anime, created by Naoko Takeuchi and originally published by Kodansha.

• There are several typography comments: don't use contractions like doesn't, don't use single quotes to mark words like 'special,' there should be no spaces between mdashes (—), don't use - to separate between title and content (either use a ndash or a mdash, see the manual of style), avoid short sentences that could be merged into other ones, like Ami's father, a painter, sends Ami paintings., This is most likely because divorce in Japan is taboo., She is not given a new title., etc. Also, don't abuse semicolons, they sometimes create very long sentences, like Ami looks remarkably like her mother, who aside of her workaholic tendencies is a good person and openly resents not having more time to spend with her daughter; Ami admires Mizuno-sensei very much and is typically obsessed with being a perfect student, wanting to live up to her mother's example..
• Don't use sentences like For information, see the appropriate section under PGSM. Either use a {{see also}} template, or don't add it, because it breaks the flow and confuses the user.
• If you are using abbreviations, like PGSM, you should explain what it means, in example, In Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon (PGSM), the 'Dark Endymion'... (note again the single quotes used for emphasis, italics are preferred.

These are some of the comments I have. I suggest sending the article to peer review before trying to achieve Good article status. Good luck! -- ReyBrujo 14:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I really appreciate the help, however, the part about manga and anime, I pulled this from a feature article on the Anime and Manga Project space and found this: Excel Saga (エクセル・サーガ, Ekuseru Sāga?) is a manga series by Koushi Rikudou,[1] and a TV anime series based on it and directed by Shinichi Watanabe.[2] Manga and anime while it has a crummy definition has also made it into the OED, the Oxford English Dictionary. I believe that the rules of wikipedia are that if something needs to be explained in detailed it must be linked. If a person doesn't know what anime and manga are, they can click on the link, quickly find out and hit back. This article is under manga and anime as a category, thus it's not necessary. If all AMP articles required this, then it should show up in all feature articles, but it doesn't. So I think that line about not know what anime and manga are can safely be crossed out as no other articles on AMP require it. So why does this one have to be "special" suddenly? Either change the rules and require it, or let it slide. Letting it slide would be easier because you'd have to debate with the other people of wikipedia proper. --Hitsuji Kinno 17:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I took a whack at the rationale for Image:Sailor Merkur 01.jpg, and shrank it down--does that look good? Is the rationale solid enough to use something similar for the others?

As to the Princess Mercury image, I think it clogs things up rather, and isn't necessary. I'd be okay with getting rid of it.

Excited to hit the other notes. :) --Masamage 23:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

We don't have to follow this word for word, which is what it seems we're doing now. I liked how we had our style and that was what suited us best. It seems to me like we're trying to apply a template from another series to our page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Glasses

We all know (or should know) that Ami-Chan wears fake glasses in PGSM, but why does she have a pair in her bag in Ami-Chan's First Love? I've never seen her with them before in the anime but why in that? She actully puts them on See here (Warning youtube link!) Lego3400: The Sage of Time 22:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

She also wears glasses on the cover to Ami-chan's First Love in the manga (biggish image), as well as several other times when studying. --Masamage 22:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Mamoru also wears glasses. I think Takeuchi-sensei has a softness for them since she married a guy with glasses... Ami uses them a bit in the manga. glasses in anime and manga do signify changes in the character as well. But that might be getting in a bit too deep without anime and manga glasses article... --Hitsuji Kinno 09:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that'd be better for the meganekko article, ne?  ;) - Malkinann 10:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it should cover the sudden change in character when the glasses are taken off v. On there is a clear one... but I guess we could edit that article, then pout the necessary info about it, then reference this article to that article to demonstrate the significance of the glasses. Would that make better sense? --Hitsuji Kinno 18:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

But she got married much time after creating Sailor Moon, as far as I know. -- ReyBrujo 02:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

And marrying someone with a particular trait doesn't necessarily mean you were specifically looking for that trait in a spouse. --Masamage 02:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

She actually stated it sometime in 1993 though (in an interview)... and then again in 1999 (Punch)... So, yes she likes guys with glasses... at least guys. --Hitsuji Kinno 00:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that in Parallel Sailor Moon a lot of the characters are wearing glasses. Like Chibiusa. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 03:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images for the bios

In the interest of not overdoing our use of copyrighted images, should we perhaps reduce the number of images in each bio down to just the essentials? If we want to cover civilian form, Senshi form, anime, manga, attacks, and PGSM, we could just reduce things by one and make better use of our space, like this:

• Senshi form: Anime style, place in infobox (as we're doing)
• Civilian form: Manga style, discuss placement (most articles have this)
• Attack: Anime style, try to show the power and not just the character (we're doing well, I think)
• PGSM: Show the character in civilian form (again, as we're doing)

The practical effect of this would be to standardize what form the manga images are portaying, and eliminate the anime-civilian headshots (which strike me as redundant).

Another idea is to be slightly less anal about 100% universal consistency in this way: if they are easier to find, use manga images in the infoboxes for the Outer Senshi, and use anime shots for the civillian images.

Any thoughts? I'm also working up a proposal for slight reorg of the profiles themselves, as well as the attacks sections; I'll post those as soon as I've got time to type them. --Masamage 23:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, yes, and the planetary symbols. Those aren't really copyrighted, so it's not as much of a problem. I personally like them by the stats. Incidentally, I think those are available as a font symbol--maybe we don't need to use images at all? Also, out of curiosity, what's wrong with the SVG versions being used at, for example, Mercury (planet)? Seems a little redundant to have our own. --Masamage 23:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Blame saturn on that one... Also, I like the images we as we have them now... Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The svg versions weren't compatible with my computer and I couldn't open them up. Every time I went to save one, I'd end up with a black square, and I feel that they are a little small. The ones I uploaded are the fonts (Arial Unicode MS) just blown up to size 200, I believe. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Back to profile images... How would everyone feel if our main images were a cropped version of this? There is one for all 10 main characters. I was hesitant to bring them up at first because they are chibi-senshi, but now I want others' opinion. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I love the lead images we're using for the Inner Senshi. I'd hate to seem 'em go.

As for the SVG images, check out my example on the right. They can be resized to any size, right here on WP, just by typing the number of pixels you want it to get to, with zero fuzziness, pixelization, or aliasing. :) That's why they're using them. Take a look at vector graphics--it's pretty awesome stuff. With that in mind, would it be all right to do away with the redundant versions and incorporate the SVG? I wouldn't mind doing it myself.

Also, Lego, I like them too, I just think we're stretching our odds by using so many copyrighted images with overlapping content. --Masamage 20:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I was missing a plug-in that I found thanks in part to your link. Since I was the one who uploaded the font versions, they can be deleted faster if I submit them. I suppose the ones that we can keep are the crescents, and since I have nothing to do with the Black Star anymore, that's not my call. You can switch out the pics, and I'll have the others deleted. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Guess the black star is mine now? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 22:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and tagged all my images for speedy deletion so they should be gone soon enough. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay! Glad you got the plugin--check out Inkscape. :DDD It's so much fun. I'll start plugging in the SVG images tonight. --Masamage 03:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Inkscape recommendation! I just downloaded it. I'll look into it more later. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, back on the main subject! How does my consistency/copyright-friendliness proposal look? --Masamage 05:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

So, as well as eliminating the anime civilian form, we're also taking off the manga princess form? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, mainly because it will be redundant next week, when I add a small writeup of the princesses to the Silver Millennium article along with this image. (Yay for school being out!) Using ten copyrighted images is always iffy when one will do the trick. --Masamage 07:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, especially because of the artbook image showcasing all 10. Seeing as how Sailor V is a special case, are we keeping her 3-pic image? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Good point, and yes, I think Sailor V merits an image of her own. Other specific cases can be argued too, such as a Dark Mercury pic, or Black Lady. Probably we can just take those on case-by-case basis. --Masamage 09:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, for the cats we should have human images of Aretmis and Diana, to match Luna's page. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 09:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

How's this? Retrieved from here. -- RattleMan 10:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't they have seperate images? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images cont.

Okay, for lack of any protestation, I will be removing the Princess Mercury image in just a moment. I'm also going to find a new manga image to replace the current one, because compared with the others' it's kind of pathetic.

My next plan, assuming no one objects, is to remove the anime head shot from the Profile section and move the civilian manga image from the Statistics section (which now has a planet symbol instead) into its previous location.

I propose that for the Outer Senshi pages, we use a manga Senshi shot for the lead image, and anime civillian shots in the profile, because it's just easier to find matching sets that way.

Any disagreement? Please discuss. :) --Masamage 20:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I would really like this to move ahead; the Statistics sections look horrid right now, with the manga and planet images both crammed into them. The calendar headshots being used right now are both redundant and much too large to be fair use. This discussion has been up for some time in the section above. If there are no arguments in favor of retaining them (including a good reason why they're fair use), I'll go ahead and switch them out of Ami, Rei, Makoto, and Minako's articles on Thursday, December 14th. I really do think it will make the articles better and more likely to achieve GA status. The Outer Senshi and Royal Family I'll leave alone for the time being while we work out other details pertaining to those groups. --Masamage 00:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I happen to like the way we have it now. It Shows the differance in style between the anime and the Manga. I say we just move the symbol to the opening paragrah or to the small paragraph at the start that gives a quick discription of their senshi forms in general. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs).

Happening to like it doesn't make it not a copyright violation, which it is precisely because the difference in style would still be represented by the remaining images. --Masamage 20:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Are we getting rid of the anime civilian image at the bottom? Considering her face does not change from the lead image at the top. Also, I have a suggestion. Since were using the Super Senshi pics as lead images for the Inners, I think it would be neat if the attack pics matched, a la Mars. Of course, this suggestion is for the four guardians (Sailor Moon is a special case, and Chibi Moon only had one real (albeit unreliable) attack in the anime). Just to give the pages some consistency. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 11:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Off with their heads! ;) - if this was a free image, I'd be arguing the opposite, because large chunks of text need images to stop it from being too dense to read, but the anime headshots are only being used as decoration - which isn't fair use. - Malkinann 23:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation problem

The Materials Collection lists "image color" and "image gemstone" for Mars, Jupiter, and Venus, but not for Mercury or Moon. We currently have it cited from there incorrectly. Moon does have a birthstone mentioned, but it's pearl and moonstone, not diamond. Meanwhile, the Outer Senshi's gemstones don't seem to be cited at all. Is there another reference for these? Or is it so crufty and unimportant that it should be removed altogether? --Masamage 22:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Another story has a list of stats for like this for the senshi within the game.. Moon's and C-Moon's are listed as dimond. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs).

I'm all for removing it, personally. It has no effect on the characters' Senshi powers, it never comes up in conversation, it's not necessarily a favorite stone, it's usually not their birthstone... It is the same as their Image Color, which we don't mention (with good reason, I think), but even less relevant. --Masamage 22:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The birthstones may be insignificant throughout the series, but we have to keep in mind that gems and minerals are a key element in Sailor Moon. Think about all the various names (especially those of antagonists) for example. I'm sorry I can't post a source for this, but I seem to remember Takeuchi-san having a thing for gemstones. --Zyppora 10:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup, she does; at least 80% of the villains are named after rocks. The main thing here is that the "image stone" for the Senshi both never affected the series and is inconsistently mentioned in official sources, meaning she herself didn't pay much attention to it. Those fields were all removed when the Stats lists got converted to prose. --Masamage 19:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Which sources are these? Would it be possible to render one (or few consistent) source(s) more plausible than others? For example, I wouldn't consider the Another Story game too plausible if the information given there doesn't align with information given in the (original) manga, or official papers spread by Takeuchi-san herself. Taking out the birthstone system because of inconsistencies amongst sources is a serious change and should be carefully considered, IMHO. --Zyppora 10:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

About three of them are mentioned in the Materials Collection; I think the rest were on the back of doll-boxes? And yes, there is contradiction over Sailro Moon's stone. But inconsistency wasn't my big concern, it's more that they're just so useless. Every stone is obviously just another manifestation of the Senshi's image color. --Masamage 17:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it was in one of the manga volumes (English version) that an overview was given on each Senshi with their respective gems. They didn't match as birthstones though. But yes, they add little to the series, and as such can be left out. I guess they should only be mentioned in sections where they are of significant value (say, a section on the Another Story game for example). --Zyppora 11:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wait, do they actually do something in Another Story? Because that would be kind of awesome. --Masamage 22:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

You mean the gemstones? It's pretty much that you find attributes throughout the game named like 'Sapphire Earrings' or 'Emerald Ring' (not sure if those are the exact attributes, but you get the point). They boost the stats of the character they're equipped to, but if you equip them to the right character (sapphire to Mercury, emerald to Jupiter, etc.) they'll give a much bigger boost. Either that, or you can't equip them to another character than the one they're suited for. Been awhile. --Zyppora 08:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If equiped to the wrong senshi, they don't do anything. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 19:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

They do have round about significance now that I think about it more. I once looked up gemology. For example "diamond" is supposed to collect the power of all the gems. It just happens that the jewel that the ginzuishou suspiciously looks like is a real diamond... It's a Crown Jewel of England (Forgot the name though). I remember seeing it back when I visited England. In addition each stone has personality traits... but I don't think it's that significant... just wanted to say how it helped formulate the characters. Takeuchi-sensei didn't add things for pointless reasons. Each gemstone has some significance in New Age, and they are suspiciously congruous down to the letter.... even down to the color. Look up colorology too. *shrugs* But that's more of a fan thing. And they were significant to Another Story game. Most of the time you couldn't win without those items. --Hitsuji Kinno 02:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Error in tarnsfer reason

'By Act 34, when Ami's mother attempts to transfer her to another school because she thinks Ami's friends are bad influences (e.g. she has been missing cram school a lot because of her Senshi duties), Ami rebels, avoiding the admission interview and spending the night at the Senshi hideout with Rei.'

It is true that Ami's mother thinks Ami's friends are a bad influence, but not because she's missing cram school (or not just because of that). The reason her mother went as far as to transfer her is because after fighting an enemy, Ami and Rei are picked up by the police, and their parents are notified of this. This is also what gets Rei into trouble with her father. --Zyppora 09:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

True, that is the primary reason. Then, after talking to the police, Mizuno-san calls the cram school and finds out Ami's been skipping. So it's definitely one of her causes for concern. --Masamage 18:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ohw, I actually thought getting picked up by the police was the reason. Musta missed that she actually called the cram school (or forgot about it, it's been awhile). --Zyppora 18:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

By strange coincidence, I just watched that episode with my husband a few days ago. :) And yeah, like I say, it's a combination. I think the cops thing should definitely be added, as that happened first. Wanna do the honors? --Masamage 20:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the line in particular is quite long and perhaps it would be a good thing to split it up. However, I don't think this kind of info is really relevant, especially when in a separate sentence. (read: I don't know how to make it look good after adding the part about the police ^_^;; ) So yea ... any help is appreciated in that department --Zyppora 21:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. In fact, now that I look about it, why her mother thinks her friends are a bad influence is irrelevant to the purpose of that section, which is to explain that Ami is branching out on her own. Having been caught monster-hunting doesn't have anything to do with that, especially since she skipped cram school out of necessity. So I'll snip that explanation altogether and add some more regarding Ami's feelings about friendship versus studying. Does that seem okay? --Masamage 22:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I'll leave that up to you though ^_^;; --Zyppora 22:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image bumped

With the Variations section merged into the profile, there is no place for the image at the right. Yes, we could plug it in somewhere, but it would be decoration, not illustration, and therefore does not satisfy fair use. I will queue it up here for now in case someone comes up with a solution, but if that doesn't happen, it should be considered orphaned and gotten rid of. --Masamage 20:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, since it's been three weeks without any solution about where to put this, I am removing the queue. The image is now orphaned. --Masamage 02:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image linking?

It's just occured to me to edit the "Princess Mercury" section so that the words "light blue gown" are a link to Image:SenshiPrincesses.jpg. That way we could make a point of the fact that an image exists, with out having to either show 9 other girls' dresses or clog the server with 10 individual images. Are we allowed to just link like that? 'Cause it seems too awesome to be true. :) --Masamage 21:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

We have too many image problem, don't we...? Even so, I'd argue for image separation rather than the whole picture. I happen to have all of the images separated... but we would still have to be able to argue fair use? --Hitsuji Kinno 02:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] shadow galactica

should the inners be added to shadow galactica from when they where controled by galaxia in the manga sailor cuteness-ready for love 22:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

You mean, in the "Affiliations" part of the infobox? We really do need to decide about that. It's a pretty tiny detail to be including right at the top of the page, and it lengthens the box somewhat. Yet Ami and Mamoru's articles include the Dark Kingdom, so they need to be included when they think about this. I'm kind of ambivalent about it, but I definitely don't think they should be added unless we think of some clever way to pull it off. So the question is, can we? --Masamage 23:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

we could give it a small mention in there articles and have a link to the shadow galactica where their article is in it sailor cuteness-ready for love 09:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Top Section

I really liked that top section. It gave a breif overveiw of her senshi form... I think it should come back. Also we lost the discripton of her outfit when we lost it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

We do have a picture, and most of it migrated down to the Aspects and forms section.-Malkinann 22:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I liked it too, but I think it stood in our way of getting a GA rating. :T There was also concern (expressed by Hitsuji Kinno, and she had a point) about the inclusion of descriptions of the Senshi outfits, because they change a lot from series to series and arc to arc, and it could get really crufty really fast. And yeah, Malkinann is right that most of the Senshi info is word-for-word at Aspects and forms. We definitely need an overview-thing, but that's what the lead section is for. --Masamage 22:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I was looking at the page and just got the feeling it was written by someone other than us without it...Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attack image

Is anyone especially attached to the Shine Aqua Illusion image we're using? It makes her legs look really burly. o_O Maybe we could change it? --Masamage 23:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

They look fine to me... It's one of the perils of fighting evil, even if you are a magical girl - sometimes in the name of The Good Fight, you're just not going to look pretty! -Malkinann 02:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee. I guess that's so. I can't find anything better, either, what with her powers being all fizzy and blurry and obscure-the-camera-y. --Masamage 02:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

While i'm thinking about it.. Would an image of her mid henshin be bad to include as well? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs).

Please sign your posts. That's a good idea, actually—but instead of, not in addition to. --Masamage 05:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ami wasn't in the original proposition?

According to MangaStyle, Ami wasn't in the original proposition for the Sailor Moon series - Hikaru, who strongly resembles Ami, was in there instead? This should be in Ami's article, right? -Malkinann 05:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. I think it'd be better in the main article, actually, because this was a plan for the Sailor V anime--the other girls were all different too, not just Ami. It can probably get a mention in the Sailor V article itself, too. --Masamage 06:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music - storage purposes

A number of image songs featuring Ami's character have been released.^[1]

From the original anime, sung by Aya Hisakawa:

• "Someday... Somebody..." — From the first series.
• "Onaji Namida wo Wakeatte" (Sharing the Same Tears) — From Sailor Moon R
• "Koibito ni wa Narenai Kedo" (We Can't Become Lovers, But...) — From Sailor Moon R
• "Ashita mo mata Jitensha" (Bicycle Again Tomorrow) — From Sailor Stars

From the English anime, sung by Shandi Sinnamon:

• "Only a Memory Away" — sung in Sailor Moon R in the translation in the place of "Onaji Namida wo Wakeatte".

From the musicals, sung by various actresses:

• Setting off (旅立ち, Tabidachi^?) — Duet with Usagi from Usagi Ai no Senshi E no Michi.
• The Good Kid Quit (いい子はやめた, Ii ko wa yameta^?) — from Yume Senshi Ai Eien ni.
• A Fabricated Forevermore (偽りのForevermore, Itsuwari no forevermore^?) — Duet with Izō Saitō (斎藤以蔵, Saitō Izō^?) from Eien Densetsu.
• "Drive Me Mercury" — originated in Translyvania no Mori — Kaiteban

From the live-action series, sung by Chisaki Hama:

• Mi Amor (Spanish for "My Love")^[2]
• Yakusoku (約束, "Promise")

[edit] RE: GA Critera

We don't have to follow this word for word, which is what it seems we're doing now. I liked how we had our style and that was what suited us best. It seems to me like we're trying to apply a template from another series to our page. --Lego3400: The Sage of Time 23:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Why did you post this twice?

I disagree that what we were doing suited us best, but that doesn't really matter, because this isn't about "us." It's about the encyclopedia, which serves more than Sailor Moon ingo. I personally feel this article has improved every single day lately because it is coming closer to the GA criteria. We do have to follow word-for-word the WP guideline that says the 'pedia works by consensus, and the 'template' of what makes a good article has formed after lots of development by lots of other people. I believe them. Many of the things that have been removed or dramatically altered from these articles were my work, too. This isn't "our" page. It's Wikipedia's. --Masamage 01:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Attack Image

How about this?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't look good zoomed out. I think it's a really good idea to use attack images from the first uniform, anyway, 'cause then we...like...have a picture of the first uniform. --Masamage 22:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Venus and Mars need new attack images, mars has been using Flame Sniper forever, and I just replaced the Love-Me Chain with Love and Beatuy Shock becse you couldn't tell what was part of venus's attack in the Love me chain. IT woul probalby be preferable to use stock animation. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

would fire mandala be better iv allways liked that attack ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 18:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Burning Mandala would be good because it's a first-uniform attack. By the same token, Love and Beauty Shock doesn't work (although it's a nicer picture than what we had before). --Masamage 19:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PGSM Image

I've been wondering (in the peer review) if it would be better to use a shot of Chisaki Hama as Ami wearing her glasses? We do talk about how she wears her glasses a lot. Masamage suggested this shot, but there is also Image:Ami live action2.jpg, which may soon be deleted, but which shows both Ami wearing her glasses, and her transformation bracelet. -Malkinann 08:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

That one's okay. I'd be fine with it. --Masamage 20:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article?

Well, the peer review is concluded. I don't have any particular concerns left—is there anything the rest of you can think of that needs to be done before suggesting this as a GAC? If not, should we give it a try? --Masamage 20:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll keenly miss the music section, but Wikimoon has a page for that. Maybe when it's nominated, we should tag the nomination with (fictional character) as some reviewers are interested in fictional characters. The wait for an assessment takes over a week, too.. although as we haven't gone over 32kb, it's not considered a 'long' article. -Malkinann 00:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I miss the music section, too. Actually, wait a sec. This is so obvious that I can't believe I didn't think of it until now--why don't we just turn it into prose? --Masamage 01:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

We could do, if we talked about the whys and wherefores - eg Someday Somebody is an example of Ami's conflicting feelings about boys. I've already *sneekily* worked back the Zoisite/Ami duet in the Princess Mercury subsection. -Malkinann 01:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I wrote a few paragraphs this morning; my progress so far is at User:Masamage/Sands. What do you think? Worth finishing? --Masamage 03:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay. It's finished, but I dunno. It's reeeeally long, comparable to her profile section. --Masamage 04:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I meant sort of sneaking them in here and there, but that'd bloat the article by just about as much... I guess image songs are fine for wikimoon, though. I'm otherwise happy with the article.-Malkinann 22:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty happy with it, too. It doesn't feel like FA material, but I do think it has a definite shot at GA. --Masamage 04:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, if no one has any big concerns, how 'bout we nominate it...tomorrow? :D --Masamage 02:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Which was yesterday! I'll get it started now. :) --Masamage 18:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special powers and items

Can I change the "Shabon Spray" listed in the "Special Powers and Items" to it's correct intended name "Sabão Spray"? Also her "VR Visor" was the name given in the English Adaptation, same goes with "Pocket Computer". In the Japanese version those items are listed as "Mercury Goggle" and "Super Computer". Also, as with the other Senshi, she holds posession of a "Wristwatch Communication Device". These are all listed in the Memorial Anime Albums/Media Books by Nakayoshi. Fighter4luv 13:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

No.. Its Sharbon Spray... its an easy mistake... Sharbon is Japanses for Bubble IIRC (learned that from watching PPGZ. We know about the wrist watchs... We just didn't mention them. --16:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Lego3400: The Sage of Time

No, shabon is derived from sabão, meaning soap. A lot of Japanese words come from Portuguese, bizarrely enough. But we shouldn't replace the Japanese spelling with the Portuguese any more than we should replace it with English. There's already a note. Feel free to change the item names to the Japanese ones, though, and give them a reference that includes your source and the English names. I think the communicators are too crufty for each Senshi page, but they will probably get a mention at the Arc page. --Masamage 19:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Also they are on our unlaunced items page... IF we ever launch it we have it there...72.95.214.92 23:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Okies. It is definitely sabão, because it is shown written in ROMAN letters as "sabão" (accent and all) on cover 9 of my Media Books for season 1. Along with some other personal stats about the characters written in English. I came across it when I was scanning the covers into my PC, because they are unnoticeable if you weren't looking for them. The katakana characters that represent "sabão" are also used in the Japanese word "Shabondama" (dama is written in kanji) which means "soap bubble", but in Sailor Mercury's case it is just representing the Portuguese word "sabão".. "Soap Spray!" :P Also, I am still unsure of how to reference (still fairly new to wikipedia) but i'll look through the page already and try and figure it out. ~ Fighter4luv 02:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:SM keeps a guide to referencing here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailor Moon/References - it's got a short how-to and everything.  ;) -Malkinann 21:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Malkinann. ^^ And like I say, the ref right after the Shabon Spray note talks about the Portuguese spelling. --Masamage 21:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

I have reviewed this article, and I feel that it is up to GA standards. It is well written, well sourced and all of the images have fair use rationale. Good job. -- Scorpion 04:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Yayyyyy! :D:D:D:D:D --Masamage ♫ 05:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Woohoo!  :D Do you have any suggestions for how we could further improve the article? -Malkinann 06:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I, at least, can't think of anything offhand. I'm sure there's quite a bit that can be done, but I'm more excited by the idea of getting more up to this level. --Masamage ♫ 07:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

That's why I'm asking! XD We could always send it to A-class review at the anime wikiproject for further comment. But yes, now that our template article's been given a stamp of quality, we can get the others up to scratch. :) -Malkinann 07:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The indenting made me think you meant me, until I posted, at which point I realized that was insane. X) Also, I forgot about A-class review. Is that a loftier status? Is it harder to achieve? --Masamage ♫ 07:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

lol. A-class is between FA and GA, (or for a good Good Article) and seems to be like a tough peer review. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Assess for further details. -Malkinann 07:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

(Reseting indent) You don't need to be a GA to get an A rank sometimes though it does help! ALSO YIPPEE!Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)