Talk:Ameranthropoides loysi

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[edit] Bigfoot Connection?

Would there be any correlation between De Loy's Ape (Loysi) and Bigfoot? Should we make note in the article of this possible correlation? (both are large, unknown "primates," who walk bi-pedal)--Jennifer M 01:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

"We", the encyclopedia authors, shouldn't make any speculation. However, it is OK for us to [i]report[/i] speculations which have previously been published. So if you can find evidence that some noted cryptozoologist said or wrote that she thinks [i]A. loysi[/i] is Bigfoot, then go ahead and mention that. —Psychonaut 06:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

No real connection in the sense of a relationship. The common features are pretty much limited to what you state: 2 unknown primates that are said to walk upright. There is no question that the red South American ape (also called the 'Didi') is an ape, while all reports of the North American Bigfoot/Sasquatch complex stress how 'human' they appear up close. Even De Loys' report mentions that the apes approached them from the trees, then stood upright. CFLeon 02:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Giant Spider Monkey?

It seems to be this can definitely be classified as a platyrrhine. Look at the nose: it's just nostrils, no external structure. Probably a big spider monkey relative. What does everyone else think? -- Mike Keesey

Several commentators have suggested that. Although the thing looks basically like a Spider Monkey, there are some differences. The face appears flatter for instance. Heuvelmans covers the arguement in On the Track of Unknown Animals as much as I've seen, including comparative pics. He also includes a photo of a spider monkey standing upright. It's certainly conceivable that a Spider Monkey-type may have evolved larger size and lost its tail as it came down from the trees, just as what happened in Africa. It's really too bad that De Loys did not take a second photo in profile or include something of known size in the picture. CFLeon 21:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

How about the hypothesis that this is a spider monkey that was suffering from gigantism? It does also seem to have a few acromegalic characteristics. As for the taillessness, we cannot see it, and de Loys might as well have been inventing that part.

Cú Faoil, 15.55, 21 December 2006 (GMT)

[edit] Gender of photo?

It says on the article that De Loy killed the female, but it looks like the photo is a male. Can anybody give any credible evidence that the photo is of a female? Punk18

I personally can't, but New World Monkeys, and Spider Monkeys in particular, are known for enlarged clitorises. I do not know if this is a general condition or more prominent in some individuals. Heuvelmans mentions the fact and assures it to be a female, although he does not say based on what feature. CFLeon 02:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

No, it definately looks like a -rather enormous, especially for a nonhuman primate- penis. And the overall musculature looks more male than female. Unless that is the tail (it appears as if it is slightly asymetrical on the groin area, if it is a penis.) [unsigned]

If DeLoy is to be believed on anything, the animal did NOT have a tail. (It's not clear if there might have been a vestigal stub.) All of my work was with African monkeys (Dianas and Vervets in particular), so I have no details on the actual appearance of Spider Monkeys' genitalia, other than second-hand accounts and what's in the literature. I still have some contacts at the zoo, though; I'll ask around. CFLeon 08:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)